I think David meant to send this to WikiEN-l, rather than WikimediaUK-l.

-- Sam

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com Date: Dec 20, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] "Fair Use does not apply to DSM material or any other APA/APPI content." um, wtf? To: wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org, foundation-l@wikimedia.org

Below is from [[:en:WP:ANI]]. What on earth? How does "fair use" magically not apply?

- d.

DSM-IV-TR Copyright question

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Narcissistic_personality_disorder There is a question being raised concerning whether the reproduction of DSM-IV-TR criteria on several articles without permission from the APA constitutes breach of copyright and whether the administration of Wikipedia could or should seek the relevant permissions or the removal of such text? Personally I should like to request the permissions be sought --82.195.137.125 19:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I have responded to this at the relevant talk page, and suggested that relevant quotations are within the bounds of fair use. Other eyes may be welcome on that issue. Dragons flight 21:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[Response re: DSM-IV-TR criteria (all identifiers removed, original forwarded to permissions@wikipedia.org):

We are inclined to deny Wikipedia permission to use our content as we do not allow anyone to alter our material and we do not want our material posted online. I can assure you that we have complete rights to our material and Fair Use does not apply to DSM material or any other APA/APPI content.

I find this a LITTLE bit scary in it's wider implications --82.195.137.125 05:15, 20 December 2005 (UTC)]

Also completely wrong. Of course it fucking applies. Perhaps they could work with the National Gallery on this one - David Gerard 12:26, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[Better idea David could you see your way to making your case to them (I have already made mine)? Here is contact page http://appi.org/permissions.cfx and post any results here? (repeating on your talk page). "Inclined" is, to my mind, a word that is still open to negotiation --82.195.137.125 13:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)] _______________________________________________ Wikimediauk-l mailing list Wikimediauk-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l

-- Sam