64.163.22.53 has been vandalizing French Revolution. At what point should I block the user? I understand that this number IDs a computer, not a person, and non-vandals may use this computer. Can someone give me the basic policy?
Steve
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Adding "my ass-crack will suffer the consequences of the bong-hole!" to an article on the French Revolution is well beyond the limits of any doubt. The only thing that might hold back a ban is if that is the address of AOL, MSN or some similar large isp.
Fred From: "steven l. rubenstein" rubenste@ohiou.edu Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:26:53 -0400 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] How do I use my newfound powers, and not abuse them?
French Revolution
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:23:25PM -0600, Fred Bauder wrote:
Adding "my ass-crack will suffer the consequences of the bong-hole!" to an article on the French Revolution is well beyond the limits of any doubt. The only thing that might hold back a ban is if that is the address of AOL, MSN or some similar large isp.
Fred
If it's only one edit, don't ban. He just tried whether he can hit the "Save"-button. A ban only raises the vandals interest in messing around even more. I usually open a "User contributions" page and reload it after 5 to 10 minutes. If the user has made more edits, I revert them. I repeat this 2 or 3 times. If he's still around, I ban him. This is less work then looking up the IP and check whether it's a permanent or dynamic IP or a web proxy or so.
Regards,
jens
On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 17:25, Jens Frank wrote:
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:23:25PM -0600, Fred Bauder wrote:
Adding "my ass-crack will suffer the consequences of the bong-hole!" to an article on the French Revolution is well beyond the limits of any doubt. The only thing that might hold back a ban is if that is the address of AOL, MSN or some similar large isp.
Fred
If it's only one edit, don't ban. He just tried whether he can hit the "Save"-button. A ban only raises the vandals interest in messing around even more. I usually open a "User contributions" page and reload it after 5 to 10 minutes. If the user has made more edits, I revert them. I repeat this 2 or 3 times. If he's still around, I ban him. This is less work then looking up the IP and check whether it's a permanent or dynamic IP or a web proxy or so.
I wholeheartedly agree. Only if someone is persistent for several days (or is slamming the server) should one consider banning the ip.
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I wholeheartedly agree. Only if someone is persistent for several days (or is slamming the server) should one consider banning the ip.
Has anyone ever slammed the server before? (on a side note, please sign your letters)
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On 5/16/03 8:33 AM, "Daniel Ehrenberg" littledanehren@yahoo.com wrote:
--- The Cunctator cunctator@kband.com wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree. Only if someone is persistent for several days (or is slamming the server) should one consider banning the ip.
Has anyone ever slammed the server before? (on a side note, please sign your letters)
Mainly just people with good intentions running bots without warning.
Thanks -- I do appreciate your advice, and Fred's as well.
At 11:25 PM 5/15/2003 +0200, you wrote:
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:23:25PM -0600, Fred Bauder wrote:
Adding "my ass-crack will suffer the consequences of the bong-hole!" to an article on the French Revolution is well beyond the limits of any
doubt. The
only thing that might hold back a ban is if that is the address of AOL, MSN or some similar large isp.
Fred
If it's only one edit, don't ban. He just tried whether he can hit the "Save"-button. A ban only raises the vandals interest in messing around even more. I usually open a "User contributions" page and reload it after 5 to 10 minutes. If the user has made more edits, I revert them. I repeat this 2 or 3 times. If he's still around, I ban him. This is less work then looking up the IP and check whether it's a permanent or dynamic IP or a web proxy or so.
Regards,
jens
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Thanks -- but how do I know (from the identifying user number) whether it is an AOL address? Sorry if this is an obvious question,
Steve
At 01:23 PM 5/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:
Adding "my ass-crack will suffer the consequences of the bong-hole!" to an article on the French Revolution is well beyond the limits of any doubt. The only thing that might hold back a ban is if that is the address of AOL, MSN or some similar large isp.
Fred From: "steven l. rubenstein" rubenste@ohiou.edu Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:26:53 -0400 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] How do I use my newfound powers, and not abuse them?
French Revolution
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Well, you don't, it just won't do any good to ban a user number from AOL since it will change every time they log on. It will soon become obvious since he'll be back on with a slightly different number right away, So then go ahead and lift that first ban so you are not banning AOL or other big isp users at random. BTW is this guy still messing around? If he has quit by now that might as well be the end of it.
Fred
From: "steven l. rubenstein" rubenste@ohiou.edu Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:31:50 -0400 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How do I use my newfound powers, and not abuse them?
Thanks -- but how do I know (from the identifying user number) whether it is an AOL address? Sorry if this is an obvious question,
Steve
At 01:23 PM 5/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:
Adding "my ass-crack will suffer the consequences of the bong-hole!" to an article on the French Revolution is well beyond the limits of any doubt. The only thing that might hold back a ban is if that is the address of AOL, MSN or some similar large isp.
Fred From: "steven l. rubenstein" rubenste@ohiou.edu Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:26:53 -0400 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] How do I use my newfound powers, and not abuse them?
French Revolution
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I assume s/he has stopped -- but I still appreciate all the input as I imagine something like this will happen in the future, and know I will be better prepared to know how to handle it. Thanks,
Steve
At 10:02 AM 5/16/2003 -0600, you wrote:
Well, you don't, it just won't do any good to ban a user number from AOL since it will change every time they log on. It will soon become obvious since he'll be back on with a slightly different number right away, So then go ahead and lift that first ban so you are not banning AOL or other big isp users at random. BTW is this guy still messing around? If he has quit by now that might as well be the end of it.
Fred From: "steven l. rubenstein" rubenste@ohiou.edu Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:31:50 -0400 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How do I use my newfound powers, and not abuse them?
Thanks -- but how do I know (from the identifying user number) whether it is an AOL address? Sorry if this is an obvious question,
Steve
At 01:23 PM 5/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:
Adding "my ass-crack will suffer the consequences of the bong-hole!" to an article on the French Revolution is well beyond the limits of any doubt. The only thing that might hold back a ban is if that is the address of AOL, MSN or some similar large isp.
Fred
From: "steven l. rubenstein" <rubenste@ohiou.edu> Reply-To:wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:26:53 -0400 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] How do I use my newfound powers, and not abuse them?
French Revolution
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On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 08:31, steven l. rubenstein wrote:
Thanks -- but how do I know (from the identifying user number) whether it is an AOL address? Sorry if this is an obvious question,
I recommend this page: http://www.arin.net/whois/
Paste in an IP address, it'll tell you what organization the network belongs to.
It can also be useful to do a reverse DNS lookup; on Unix you'd do this with the "host" or "nslookup" command... on at least some verions of Windows you can run "nslookup" from a command prompt.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
On Thu, 15 May 2003 14:26:53 -0400, steven l. rubenstein rubenste@ohiou.edu gave utterance to the following:
64.163.22.53 has been vandalizing French Revolution. At what point should I block the user? I understand that this number IDs a computer, not a person, and non-vandals may use this computer. Can someone give me the basic policy?
A tool like samspade ( http://www.samspade.org ) can provide more data on which to base a decision: Performing an IP-block search on that IP results in:
Pac Bell Internet Services PBI-NET-8 (NET-64-160-0-0-1) 64.160.0.0 - 64.175.255.255 The Charter School of San Diego SBCIS-100920-135815 (NET-64-163-22-0-1) 64.163.22.0 - 64.163.22.255
In which case the chances of that 1 computer being one person's are slim. But it is highly likely that the computer has a permanent connection and will retain its IP. (Banning a dialup user is like catching water in a seive - they will be assigned a new IP every time they connect) In this case, a scenario of one or more kids thinking this is a cool trick seems likely, and a ban ought to be effective. If they are in a computer lab, we probably just need to watch the adjacent IP's.