Hello all,
I would appreciate it if you could copy this message to the relevant pages on en.wp.
First: Does Wikimedia have a funding crisis, does it need to ask people for money?
The Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit organization, and the vast majority of its funding comes from fundraising and grants. It operates more than 300 servers which keep Wikipedia alive, the associated hosting and bandwidth, and the staff needed to support it. Its annual expenses for the current fiscal year amount to approximately $6 million. We have already raised $2 million of that, which leaves us with a gap of $4 million which we need to raise through donations small and large.
If we fail to meet our budgeted revenue goals during and past this fundraiser, we will eventually have to lay off staff and reduce our capacity planning for servers and bandwidth, both of which will directly affect your experience of Wikipedia. If you feel, for example, that developers are often slow to respond to requests, well, imagine how much worse it will be if we have to lay off some of them. If you feel that editing is often slow, imagine how much worse it will be if we cannot pay for additional servers or needed software improvements.
As you know, the world is in economic crisis. At this point in time, we do not know what the impact of this economic crisis will be on the Wikimedia Foundation. We need to meet our targets to continue to operate Wikipedia.
I realize that having a banner on the site you read and/or edit every day is not convenient. We plan to create a smaller (plaintext) version of the banner for signed in users. But we do not plan to reduce the banner size of the standard banner, at least not until we have a better idea of what the online fundraiser revenue will be for this year. We are doing some systematic A/B testing of different banners with different messages, and as we learn more, we will iterate the banners further.
We do need to raise the funds to operate Wikipedia, so that you can continue to use it, both as a reader and a contributor. Rather than invite antagonism, I want to invite your collaboration in refining and developing the banners. We are open to community suggestions here -- please feel free to post mock-ups on Meta Wiki at this page:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2008/design_drafts
However, if we feel (or measure) that a banner will significantly reduce the number of donations received, we will not use it. So if your primary goal is to make the banner smaller or less "obtrusive", rather than making it more effective or at least retaining its current level of effectiveness, I don't think we'll come up with something that can replace the current banners.
Please let's remember that the Wikimedia Foundation exists to support this project's continued existence, and the Wikimedia movement internationally. This means we need to create awareness for the fact that we need to raise money, just like any other charity. This fundraising drive will run until January 15. Until then, I ask for your patience and cooperation in making it work.
Please feel free to contact me: erik(at)wikimedia(dot)org.
Thanks, Erik Möller 22:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
This is the closest i could find to a "proper" page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fundraising it redirects to the donation page.
I think WP:VP would work just as well. A lot of people have been complaining about the banner, as if it was cynical shilling for money on behalf of a rich organization and wouldn't impact what most of us work on daily. I think a donate banner, even one that is somewhat obtrusive or irritating, is a small sacrifice to make in pursuit of the same goal to which we already donate our efforts. Some folks don't seem to realize how important the fundraising drive is to the Wikimedia Foundation and all its projects.
Nathan
If that's the case, why donate money in the past to IRC?
Giano
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello all,
I would appreciate it if you could copy this message to the relevant pages on en.wp.
First: Does Wikimedia have a funding crisis, does it need to ask people for money?
The Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit organization, and the vast majority of its funding comes from fundraising and grants. It operates more than 300 servers which keep Wikipedia alive, the associated hosting and bandwidth, and the staff needed to support it. Its annual expenses for the current fiscal year amount to approximately $6 million. We have already raised $2 million of that, which leaves us with a gap of $4 million which we need to raise through donations small and large.
If we fail to meet our budgeted revenue goals during and past this fundraiser, we will eventually have to lay off staff and reduce our capacity planning for servers and bandwidth, both of which will directly affect your experience of Wikipedia. If you feel, for example, that developers are often slow to respond to requests, well, imagine how much worse it will be if we have to lay off some of them. If you feel that editing is often slow, imagine how much worse it will be if we cannot pay for additional servers or needed software improvements.
As you know, the world is in economic crisis. At this point in time, we do not know what the impact of this economic crisis will be on the Wikimedia Foundation. We need to meet our targets to continue to operate Wikipedia.
I realize that having a banner on the site you read and/or edit every day is not convenient. We plan to create a smaller (plaintext) version of the banner for signed in users. But we do not plan to reduce the banner size of the standard banner, at least not until we have a better idea of what the online fundraiser revenue will be for this year. We are doing some systematic A/B testing of different banners with different messages, and as we learn more, we will iterate the banners further.
We do need to raise the funds to operate Wikipedia, so that you can continue to use it, both as a reader and a contributor. Rather than invite antagonism, I want to invite your collaboration in refining and developing the banners. We are open to community suggestions here -- please feel free to post mock-ups on Meta Wiki at this page:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2008/design_drafts
However, if we feel (or measure) that a banner will significantly reduce the number of donations received, we will not use it. So if your primary goal is to make the banner smaller or less "obtrusive", rather than making it more effective or at least retaining its current level of effectiveness, I don't think we'll come up with something that can replace the current banners.
Please let's remember that the Wikimedia Foundation exists to support this project's continued existence, and the Wikimedia movement internationally. This means we need to create awareness for the fact that we need to raise money, just like any other charity. This fundraising drive will run until January 15. Until then, I ask for your patience and cooperation in making it work.
Please feel free to contact me: erik(at)wikimedia(dot)org.
Thanks, Erik Möller 22:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
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2008/11/5 Giacomo M-Z solebaciato@googlemail.com:
If that's the case, why donate money in the past to IRC?
Huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2006-11-06/News_an...
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.comwrote:
2008/11/5 Giacomo M-Z solebaciato@googlemail.com:
If that's the case, why donate money in the past to IRC?
Huh?
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2008/11/5 Giacomo M-Z solebaciato@googlemail.com:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2006-11-06/News_an...
Ok, so the WMF donated some money to the organisation behind Freenode a couple of years ago. What's your point?
obviously has money to spare - what more point would you like?
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.comwrote:
2008/11/5 Giacomo M-Z solebaciato@googlemail.com:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2006-11-06/News_an...
Ok, so the WMF donated some money to the organisation behind Freenode a couple of years ago. What's your point?
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2008/11/5 Giacomo M-Z solebaciato@googlemail.com:
obviously has money to spare - what more point would you like?
For various reasons it is useful to have a set of irc channels for wikipedia. For very solid reasons it is useful that they are run by a body completely separate to wikipedia and on completely separate servers. This being the case it was a reasonable use of money.
2008/11/5 Giacomo M-Z solebaciato@googlemail.com:
obviously has money to spare - what more point would you like?
1) That was 2 years ago, what relevance does it have now? 2) We use Freenode a lot, it makes sense to support them. It wasn't just giving money away randomly because they had more than they knew what to do with.
Do we indeed?
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.comwrote:
2008/11/5 Giacomo M-Z solebaciato@googlemail.com:
obviously has money to spare - what more point would you like?
- That was 2 years ago, what relevance does it have now?
- We use Freenode a lot, it makes sense to support them. It wasn't
just giving money away randomly because they had more than they knew what to do with.
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2008/11/5 Giacomo M-Z solebaciato@googlemail.com:
Do we indeed?
irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia
At 23:22 +0000 5/11/08, Thomas Dalton wrote:
2008/11/5 Giacomo M-Z solebaciato@googlemail.com:
obviously has money to spare - what more point would you like?
- That was 2 years ago, what relevance does it have now?
- We use Freenode a lot, it makes sense to support them. It wasn't
just giving money away randomly because they had more than they knew what to do with.
My guess is that some people who might donate in the future would not donate (at all) unless they felt that their money would go to the Foundation only. It is a given that the Foundation donated 5,000 USD to a third party, and hence might choose to repeat that donation or a similar donation in the future.
Gordo
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello all,
I would appreciate it if you could copy this message to the relevant pages on en.wp.
First: Does Wikimedia have a funding crisis, does it need to ask people for money?<snip>
The problem I have with this is as I have stated several times in the past few weeks is that other methods that have worked seem to have been dropped or neglected.
There isn't a way to set up an automatic monthly donation, an option I think many would like, I know I would.
The concept of selling merchandise seems to have fallen completely dead. There are no links anymore leading to the store on Cafepress
http://www.cafepress.com/wikipedia
Do we even get the money from that store anymore?
Suggestions on the store's talk page on Meta have been ignored, some for YEARS.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Store
What is up with that? There are some really good ideas there. I'll bet you we could make more money every month selling T-shirts than we could raise by donations. Why isn't this being re-activated?
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising/USD/monthly
I believe that was pointed out to you previously in another thread when you mentioned it there. Is it not what you are asking for?
Nathan
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com wrote:
The problem I have with this is as I have stated several times in the past few weeks is that other methods that have worked seem to have been dropped or neglected.
There isn't a way to set up an automatic monthly donation, an option I think many would like, I know I would.
This would seem to be a different link, the one mentioned last week returned an error from paypal. So, the question now is why isn't this linked to from the donation page?
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising/USD/monthly
I believe that was pointed out to you previously in another thread when you mentioned it there. Is it not what you are asking for?
Nathan
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com wrote:
The problem I have with this is as I have stated several times in the
past
few weeks is that other methods that have worked seem to have been
dropped
or neglected.
There isn't a way to set up an automatic monthly donation, an option I think many would like, I know I would.
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2008/11/5 Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org
I realize that having a banner on the site you read and/or edit every day is not convenient. We plan to create a smaller (plaintext) version of the banner for signed in users. But we do not plan to reduce the banner size of the standard banner, at least not until we have a better idea of what the online fundraiser revenue will be for this year. We are doing some systematic A/B testing of different banners with different messages, and as we learn more, we will iterate the banners further.
There is quite a body of work on banners and their effectiveness... see e.g. See http://www.useit.com/alertbox/banner-blindness.html?
The most prominent result from the new eyetracking studies is not actually new. We simply *confirmed for the umpteenth time that banner blindness is real*. Users almost never look at anything that looks like an advertisementhttp://www.useit.com/alertbox/fancy-formatting.html, whether or not it's actually an ad.
What *does *get attention?
there are 3 design elements that are most *effective at attracting eyeballs*:
- Plain text - Faces - Cleavage and other "private" body parts
[There is] a fourth approach that breaks one of publishing's main ethical principles by *making the ad look like content*:
- The more an ad looks like a *native site component*, the more users will look at it. - Not only should the ad look like the site's other design elements, it should appear to be *part of the specific page section* in which it's displayed.
This overtly violates publishing's principle of separating "church and state" -- that is, the distinction between editorial content and paid advertisements should always be clear. Reputable newspapers don't allow advertisers to mimic their branded typefaces or other layout elements. But, to maximize fixations, that's exactly what you should do in a Web ad.
Michel Vuijlsteke www.namahn.com
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipedia@zog.org wrote:
- Cleavage and other "private" body parts
[snip]
Ah! So we simply open the banner to anonymous editing and we'll be rolling in the money!