At Political Research Associates, we are a U.S. non-profit that guards our copyrighted material for a variety of reasons not worth debating on this list. We have come up with a way we think protects Wikipedia as a "Fair-Use" user of some of our material that remains copyrighted, but for which we give explicit permission to Wikipedia for use AND state in a public online file that PRA considers the use by Wikipedia to be "Fair Use" because of its value as research and in the public interest.
I would very much not want the "online cult of everything should be free" to force the removal of our material from Wiki on the odd chance that some downstream user might not read the permission/copyright blurb and just use the material for commercial purposes, which is one of the uses to which we would object.
For examples:
See the picture (yes...of me...an editor asked for a better photo) at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_Berlet, and mouse hover and click on the picture and click on the permission/copyright notice.
Look for the chart down the page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots_of_anti-Semitism and do the same.
I offer these a possible alternative, and hope that folks can see why this might be one way to obtain permission in a way that protects Wikipedia and real non-profit or research/scholarly use that benefits the public.
Chip Berlet senior analyst Political Research Associates and Wiki editor [User:Cberlet]
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From: wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org on behalf of Fastfission Sent: Mon 7/11/2005 7:24 AM To: English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: New fair use tag proposal
I think these are good comments. One way around this might be to make fair use tags require article names, i.e., {{fairuse|Article}}, which would then start off by saying, "This page is copyrighted etc. but thought to be fair use on the article {{article}}..."
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The problem here is that you can't "give" fair use privileges. Fair use is a defense, not a form of permission. When we post a fair use tag, it is really a pre-emptive statement that says, "If you sue us, this is what we'll say in court, and we think we'll win."
Now, if you say ahead of time, "Well, we're not going to sue you" -- does that change anything? Not really. What if you changed your mind? You're not bound *not* to sue us (or, put in a less accusatory way: what if your group was suddenly acquired by someone else who did not want to honor your previous informal agreement?).
So whether or not the usage of the materials is "fair use" is totally unrelated to whether or not your group approves. The transference of privileges you are talking about is really just a form of licensing, which is *not* what fair use is about.
Whether that means we can or can't use your content depends on its use. I suspect it would still be mostly fair -- a picture of you and a simple table don't sound like things which are going to defraud anybody. And if we trust you not to sue, that would probably bend the "is it fair?"-ometer towards the "not going to sue us" section of things, so it probably isn't a problem. But it isn't so simple as just "granting" fair use -- it is not a license, it is a defense against allegations of violating a license. That's an important difference!
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On 7/11/05, Chip Berlet c.berlet@publiceye.org wrote:
At Political Research Associates, we are a U.S. non-profit that guards our copyrighted material for a variety of reasons not worth debating on this list. We have come up with a way we think protects Wikipedia as a "Fair-Use" user of some of our material that remains copyrighted, but for which we give explicit permission to Wikipedia for use AND state in a public online file that PRA considers the use by Wikipedia to be "Fair Use" because of its value as research and in the public interest.
I would very much not want the "online cult of everything should be free" to force the removal of our material from Wiki on the odd chance that some downstream user might not read the permission/copyright blurb and just use the material for commercial purposes, which is one of the uses to which we would object.
For examples:
See the picture (yes...of me...an editor asked for a better photo) at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_Berlet, and mouse hover and click on the picture and click on the permission/copyright notice.
Look for the chart down the page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots_of_anti-Semitism and do the same.
I offer these a possible alternative, and hope that folks can see why this might be one way to obtain permission in a way that protects Wikipedia and real non-profit or research/scholarly use that benefits the public.
Chip Berlet senior analyst Political Research Associates and Wiki editor [User:Cberlet]
From: wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org on behalf of Fastfission Sent: Mon 7/11/2005 7:24 AM To: English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: New fair use tag proposal
I think these are good comments. One way around this might be to make fair use tags require article names, i.e., {{fairuse|Article}}, which would then start off by saying, "This page is copyrighted etc. but thought to be fair use on the article {{article}}..."
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Fastfission wrote:
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Now, if you say ahead of time, "Well, we're not going to sue you" -- does that change anything? Not really. What if you changed your mind? You're not bound *not* to sue us (or, put in a less accusatory way: what if your group was suddenly acquired by someone else who did not want to honor your previous informal agreement?).
Indeed; under 'Common Law' (at least in the UK, but I imagine that it is the same or at least very similar in the various districts of the United States), as contracts must have 'benefit' to both parties, thus promises not to sue cannot be contractual terms, merely nice frippery words. They are not legally binding in any way.
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Yours, - -- James D. Forrester Wikimedia : [[W:en:User:Jdforrester|James F.]] E-Mail : james@jdforrester.org IM (MSN) : jamesdforrester@hotmail.com
Fastfission wrote:
The problem here is that you can't "give" fair use privileges. Fair use is a defense, not a form of permission. When we post a fair use tag, it is really a pre-emptive statement that says, "If you sue us, this is what we'll say in court, and we think we'll win."
I agree that you can't "give" fair use privileges. I see it primarily as neither a defense nor a permission, but a right. The precise phrasing of the law in section 107 is important. "Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106 and 106A, http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106a the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright."
The Supreme Court of Canada gave an interesting analysis of a similar point in Canadian law in CCH Canadian v. Law Society of Upper Canada:http://www.canlii.org/ca/cas/scc/2004/2004scc13.html
48 Before reviewing the scope of the fair dealing exception under the Copyright Act, it is important to clarify some general considerations about exceptions to copyright infringement. Procedurally, a defendant is required to prove that his or her dealing with a work has been fair; however, the fair dealing exception is perhaps more properly understood as an integral part of the Copyright Act than simply a defence. Any act falling within the fair dealing exception will not be an infringement of copyright. The fair dealing exception, like other exceptions in the Copyright Act, is a user's right. In order to maintain the proper balance between the rights of a copyright owner and users' interests, it must not be interpreted restrictively. As Professor Vaver, supra, has explained, at p. 171: "User rights are not just loopholes. Both owner rights and user rights should therefore be given the fair and balanced reading that befits remedial legislation."
Where your approach goes wrong-headed is in considering a fair-use tag as a "pre-emptive statement" rather than an exercise of user rights. We should not be looking at every such instance out of fear that it might land us in court. That is the essence of legal chill, of which copyright paranoia is a subset. This is all a question of attitude. A sense of rightness and a fear of the law indicate separate paths which will most often lead us to the same place
In the same decision Madame Justice McLaughlin quotes Lord Denning in the 1972 British case of Hubbard v. Vosper about fairness:
It is impossible to define what is `fair dealing'. It must be a question of degree. You must consider first the number and extent of the quotations and extracts. Are they altogether too many and too long to be fair? Then you must consider the use made of them. If they are used as a basis for comment, criticism or review, that may be a fair dealing. If they are used to convey the same information as the author, for a rival purpose, that may be unfair. Next, you must consider the proportions. To take long extracts and attach short comments may be unfair. But, short extracts and long comments may be fair. Other considerations may come to mind also. But, after all is said and done, it must be a matter of impression. As with fair comment in the law of libel, so with fair dealing in the law of copyright. The tribunal of fact must decide
The machine that can be applied to every instance to determine fair use does not exist. A "non-commercial use" permission can still be fair use in a commercial context. It is our own collective attitude toward fair-mindedness that matters, and that needs to be applied at each step of the process. There are ample opportunities to do this, so let's not be in a hurry to beat down the courtroom doors to defend a case that has not been filed.
Now, if you say ahead of time, "Well, we're not going to sue you" -- does that change anything? Not really. What if you changed your mind? You're not bound *not* to sue us (or, put in a less accusatory way: what if your group was suddenly acquired by someone else who did not want to honor your previous informal agreement?).
This is a question of permissions and contracts. If there is a permission in place, and we want to invoke it as a defence, we need to have our documentation in order or that defence will be much tougher than invoking fair use. We better be ready when the copyright holder's grandson decides to make a claim 50 years from now.
So whether or not the usage of the materials is "fair use" is totally unrelated to whether or not your group approves. The transference of privileges you are talking about is really just a form of licensing, which is *not* what fair use is about.
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Whether that means we can or can't use your content depends on its use. I suspect it would still be mostly fair -- a picture of you and a simple table don't sound like things which are going to defraud anybody. And if we trust you not to sue, that would probably bend the "is it fair?"-ometer towards the "not going to sue us" section of things, so it probably isn't a problem. But it isn't so simple as just "granting" fair use -- it is not a license, it is a defense against allegations of violating a license. That's an important difference!
"Granting fair use" is as valuable as giving you the rights that you already have.
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