I propose (again) a change to the "Wikipedia:WikiProject [Name]" namespace of the form:
"Wikipedia:WikiProject [Name]" >> "Project:Name"
-SC
Do you have any reasons for that? ...
Bejinhan
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM, stevertigo stvrtg@gmail.com wrote:
I propose (again) a change to the "Wikipedia:WikiProject [Name]" namespace of the form:
"Wikipedia:WikiProject [Name]" >> "Project:Name"
-SC
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I would presume for ease of use - it's shorter to write and is more immediately clear (to the non-wikipedian) what is meant. I guess that the underlying idea is that Wikiprojects (and indeed any form of collaboration that is more complex than what can be handled in an individual article's talkpage) are such a fundamental part of the way we go about building the encyclopedia that they deserve a namespace in their own right. Is that it Stevevertigo? On the other hand, I presume that this would entail the creation of a new namespace in the software but I'm not sure how tricky that implementation would be both on the technical side or the community side. Is there an on-wiki essay or proposal that you can link to to give a more detailed discussion of the idea?
-Liam
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On 17 August 2010 07:05, Bejinhan bejinhan@gmail.com wrote:
Do you have any reasons for that? ...
Bejinhan
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM, stevertigo stvrtg@gmail.com wrote:
I propose (again) a change to the "Wikipedia:WikiProject [Name]" namespace of the form:
"Wikipedia:WikiProject [Name]" >> "Project:Name"
-SC
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Liam Wyatt liamwyatt@gmail.com wrote:
I guess that the underlying idea is that Wikiprojects (and indeed any form of collaboration that is more complex than what can be handled in an individual article's talkpage) are such a fundamental part of the way we go about building the encyclopedia that they deserve a namespace in their own right. Is that it Stevevertigo?
Exactly.
Is there an on-wiki essay or proposal that you can link to to give a more detailed discussion of the idea?
Nope.
-SC
stevertigo wrote:
I propose (again) a change to the "Wikipedia:WikiProject [Name]" namespace of the form:
"Wikipedia:WikiProject [Name]" >> "Project:Name"
One problem: The major wikis are already known as "Projects". IIRC "Wikiproject" is a product of disambiguation. Perhaps a different name might work.
Ec
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
One problem: The major wikis are already known as "Projects". IIRC "Wikiproject" is a product of disambiguation. Perhaps a different name might work.
...and I'm pretty sure that "Project:" is a required alias for the Wikipedia namespace, so we definitely couldn't use "Project:".
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Casey Brown lists@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
One problem: The major wikis are already known as "Projects". IIRC "Wikiproject" is a product of disambiguation. Perhaps a different name might work.
...and I'm pretty sure that "Project:" is a required alias for the Wikipedia namespace, so we definitely couldn't use "Project:".
Was exactly what I was going to mention. For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project:About goes to [[Wikipedia:About]].
Therefore, it's definitely a software limitation.
On 17 August 2010 08:51, Casey Brown lists@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
One problem: The major wikis are already known as "Projects". IIRC "Wikiproject" is a product of disambiguation. Perhaps a different name might work.
...and I'm pretty sure that "Project:" is a required alias for the Wikipedia namespace, so we definitely couldn't use "Project:".
Wikiproject: would be fine as a namespace name.
- d.
It would, that's a sensible idea.
Another easy option is to use a term like "collaboration", or to put the topic first.
"Collaboration:Cosmology"? "Military history collaboration"?
FT2
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:41 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 17 August 2010 08:51, Casey Brown lists@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net
wrote:
One problem: The major wikis are already known as "Projects". IIRC "Wikiproject" is a product of disambiguation. Perhaps a different name might work.
...and I'm pretty sure that "Project:" is a required alias for the Wikipedia namespace, so we definitely couldn't use "Project:".
Wikiproject: would be fine as a namespace name.
- d.
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David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Wikiproject: would be fine as a namespace name.
That works. Something simple.
-SC
On 17 August 2010 10:54, stevertigo stvrtg@gmail.com wrote:
David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Wikiproject: would be fine as a namespace name.
That works. Something simple.
Can I predict a heated 100-kilobyte discussion over "Wikiproject:" versus "WikiProject:"?
- d.
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:01 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 17 August 2010 10:54, stevertigo stvrtg@gmail.com wrote:
David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Wikiproject: would be fine as a namespace name.
That works. Something simple.
Can I predict a heated 100-kilobyte discussion over "Wikiproject:" versus "WikiProject:"?
100 kilobytes? That seems a gross underestimate...
Carcharoth
David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Can I predict a heated 100-kilobyte discussion over "Wikiproject:" versus "WikiProject:"?
Is there that much CamelCase support still? I thought it was bad enough we were stuck with sticking "wiki-" onto everything.
-SC
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:51 AM, Casey Brown lists@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
One problem: The major wikis are already known as "Projects". IIRC "Wikiproject" is a product of disambiguation. Perhaps a different name might work.
...and I'm pretty sure that "Project:" is a required alias for the Wikipedia namespace, so we definitely couldn't use "Project:". -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023
This is true. And it's exactly what was said last time it was requested[0]. Any other choice (WikiProject, etc) would work just fine.
-Chad
On 17 August 2010 11:34, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
This is true. And it's exactly what was said last time it was requested[0]. Any other choice (WikiProject, etc) would work just fine. [0] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18793
Run the idea of a "Wikiproject:" namespace past the village pump, build a consensus and then a new namespace should be easy enough. The "Wikipedia:Wikipedia WikiProject" or whatever it is faff is minor but has annoyed me enough I'd go "my goodness yes" to a shorter namespace for them.
- d.
David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Run the idea of a "Wikiproject:" namespace past the village pump, build a consensus and then a new namespace should be easy enough. The "Wikipedia:Wikipedia WikiProject" or whatever it is faff is minor but has annoyed me enough I'd go "my goodness yes" to a shorter namespace for them.
Project would be ideal, but there are 'technical issues.'
'Wikiproject' works, but 'Collaboration' has certain semantics that 'Wikiproject' does not. And it has the added bonus in that it doesn't have the word "wiki-" in it.
I'm firmly on the fence between the two.
-SC
stevertigo stvrtg@gmail.com wrote:
David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Run the idea of a "Wikiproject:" namespace past the village pump, build a consensus and then a new namespace should be easy enough.
Posted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Rename_W...
On 17 August 2010 14:54, stevertigo stvrtg@gmail.com wrote:
Posted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Rename_W...
Supported :-D
- d.
David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Supported :-D
srsly.
<wondering if "Project" can still work if we hack from Cyrillic or IPA glyphs>
-SC
On 17 August 2010 15:02, stevertigo stvrtg@gmail.com wrote:
David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Supported :-D
srsly.
And as predicted, all the queru^Wdetailed discussion is about what to call it. Join us now and feed the bikeshedding!
<wondering if "Project" can still work if we hack from Cyrillic or IPA glyphs>
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
- d.
If these pages were moved to "Wikiproject:..." would there be any problems with our continuing to use WP: as a shortcut prefix? eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut#List_of_prefixes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Namespace#Aliases http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_shortcuts#Topic-oriented_Wiki...
I assume it would be basically fine, as those are all using a handmade redirect: eg http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WPCAT&redirect=no so we'd just have to leave the shortcut-redirects themselves, in Wikipedia namespace.
but thought I should ask, just in case...
Quiddity
Current tally appears to be ~ 16 in favor of changing it, to 9 opposed to changing it. The objections appear to be based in technical criticism, which I've commented on. I think the technical objections are overstated.
-SC
quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote:
I assume it would be basically fine, as those are >all using a handmade redirect
I've moved discussion to a meta page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_namespace , and made a tally.
I wonder if its possible that someone from the technical staff to give us an unbiased breakdown of the technical requirements and server costs to implement a namespace change.
-SC
quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote:
If these pages were moved to "Wikiproject:..." would there be any problems with our continuing to use WP: as a shortcut prefix?