--- slimvirgin@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:16:18 -0000 (GMT), Tony Sidaway That doesn't make sense to me. I do understand the argument that tempbans
where seen as unjust could drive away good
editors, but so can seriously
bad behavior. If a week's rest from editing a few
articles is *worse*
than editing those articles in the presence of the
behavior about which
one wants to make a complaint, I just don't see
that the complaint can be
that serious.
Tony, you'd be right if tempbanning were the only problem, but there is a perception (as is clearly shown by this thread) that there is a philosophy of seeking to punish both sides regardless of the issues, in an effort to bend over backwards to be fair - which I argue is actually leading to unfairness in some cases. It is this philosophy that is worrying, and the issue of tempbanning everyone is simply one example of it. Also, in Andy's case, the proposed tempban covered areas not affected by the dispute, and was therefore perceived to be a pre-judgment punishment, not just a peace-keeping measure. In matters of justice, perceptions matter as much as reality.
Sarah
Exactly. When I made my last arbcom case, against Guanaco, Fred Bauder, on his own initiative, brought in other "evidence" which had no bearing on the case under consideration. It was clear that the arbcom, or at least one member, was more interested in trying to punish me than in making a decision based upon the evidence presented to them.
RickK
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It is not at all clear to me. I continue to consider you a responsible administrator. Bringing this up over and over perhaps serves some purpose in your eyes, but I barely remember what it was all about and agree that expanding the scope of an arbitration case beyond the issues brought up by the parties is ill-advised.
Fred
From: Rick giantsrick13@yahoo.com Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:16:22 -0800 (PST) To: slimvirgin@gmail.com, English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] ArbCom - too attached to 'equal treatment'?
Exactly. When I made my last arbcom case, against Guanaco, Fred Bauder, on his own initiative, brought in other "evidence" which had no bearing on the case under consideration. It was clear that the arbcom, or at least one member, was more interested in trying to punish me than in making a decision based upon the evidence presented to them.
RickK