Jimbo, Since you haven't responded, I'm assuming you have absolutely no problem with my chronicling the very real procedural problems Wikipedia faces. I've started a livejournal: http://parkerpeters.livejournal.com/ I obviously can't leave these anywhere where you or your minions might want to change them, after all. I intend to pull no punches. I've left two Lessons for any newcomers to wikipedia, and I'll be leaving more in the coming days. If any of you are actually interested in honest dissent intended to (hopefully) make wikipedia better, you'll find it here, because you're certainly not going to find it on a "moderated" list where the slightest dissent from the groupthink is answered with cries of "troll." Parker _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l