Jeff Bonham wrote: Has anyone been able to find the article in question? As far as I can see it doesn't exist. We don't seem to have any other articles mentioning Vancouver University either. --sannse _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

The X-AntiAbuse email header fields are an indicator that they might be spammers.

On 10 Oct 2004, at 02:47, Frank v Waveren wrote: Err... have you looked at the CONTENT of the said fields? You're right in that an email with such headers *might* still be legit. Typically, ISPs add such headers not to all emails that get sent via them, but only where the user does "suspicious" things, such as sending from one domain but "writing on the envelope" that the email originated from somewhere else. This is something that people may do for legitimate reasons (e.g. when I send mails via an MTA (email server) I sometimes run on my iBook, I sometimes "write on the envelope" that they are from ropersonline.com. Now, I own ropersonline.com. I receive the respective replies sent to ropersonline.com. So I'm not really impersonating someone else. No harm done. But imagine I were to send an email to somebody and without your consent were to "write on the envelope" that it came from you. That's abuse (which I'm sure you wouldn't like) and that's precisely what spammers do. Which is why some ISPs have introduced the use of headers such as "X-Authentication-Warning" or "X-AntiAbuse" (etc). In the case at hand, there were three headers of interest: X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - canada3.dnshotel.com <-- indicates the individual box the mail was sent from (dnshotel prolly is a dyndns, so I'd wager our man uses cable/DSL) X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.utm.utoronto.ca <-- indicates the domain the mail was sent from. Interestingly, this is not on the same domain as the above. Suspicious... X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - vancouveruniversity.edu <-- this is the "envelope" email address (domain part) -- where the email "pretends" to come from. The way email currently works, basically anybody with halfway adaequate knowledge and/or software can put any address in there--which is one of the reasons you and me and just about every netizen have been getting so much spam lately. Now our man prolly owns the vancouveruniversity.edu domain, so his "fake" envelope address is comparable to what I occasionally do (see above). However, he also seems to use utoronto.ca network resources. Now utoronto.ca is the University of Toronto -- a bona fide university. I've just found they don't like abuse: http://www.enough.utoronto.ca/. It's a fair guess that they will like a diploma mill running their business using utoronto.ca network resources even less. Interesting. Didn't see that before. I'll forward the email in question to enough(a)utoronto.ca. I wouldn't be surprised if vancouveruniversity.edu was run by a utoronto.ca student on a get-rich-quick spree... -- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com

From: Fred Bauder &lt;fredbaud(a)ctelco.net&gt; Reply-To: English Wikipedia &lt;wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org&gt; Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 12:58:02 -0600 To: English Wikipedia &lt;wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Fw: List of fake universities > Hi, > We certainly do not like being included in the Wickipedia list of fake > universities. > We attempted to open the item, but the url was blocked. > Whoever is responsible, please actually look at > www.VancouverUniversity.edu > and sub-pages like www.VancouverUniversity.edu/alumni.php > and note how inappropriate to so list us > (unless the person doing so is a public sector fanatic > who cannot stomach the idea of private non-profit institutions). > > Thanks for any help in this matter, > Derrick

From: Fred Bauder &lt;fredbaud(a)ctelco.net&gt; Reply-To: English Wikipedia &lt;wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org&gt; Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:09:53 -0600 To: English Wikipedia &lt;wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Fw: List of fake universities >> Hi, >> We certainly do not like being included in the Wickipedia list of fake >> universities. >> We attempted to open the item, but the url was blocked. >> Whoever is responsible, please actually look at >> www.VancouverUniversity.edu >> and sub-pages like www.VancouverUniversity.edu/alumni.php >> and note how inappropriate to so list us >> (unless the person doing so is a public sector fanatic >> who cannot stomach the idea of private non-profit institutions). >> >> Thanks for any help in this matter, >> Derrick

Also listed in Michigan amoung decrees not accepted for civil service there: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf I have changed the name of the article to [[List of institutions of higher learning which may not be accepted by civil service or other employers]] That way it is not us but employers who publish lists that are designating the institutions. Fred

From: Ray Saintonge &lt;saintonge(a)telus.net&gt; Reply-To: English Wikipedia &lt;wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org&gt; Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 05:51:46 -0700 To: English Wikipedia &lt;wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Fw: List of fake universities We do get these outfits springing up here from time to time. They mostly appeal to the Asian market. Although this one seems to operate on line others have had a physical facility, and have gone bankrupt in mid term leaving foreign students stranded. Their accreditation comments on their home page seem awfully full of weasel words, and that's not an encouraging sign. There may very well be some common law right in relation to granting degrees, but if no knowledgeable employer is going to recognize that degree its value may be limited. Ec