Apparently, the issue with Lir is a bit deeper than I thought, and I do side with some of the people offended by her--some of the comments were sharp and a bit 'unladylike' (for the record, I think men and women should both behave 'ladylike' in polite company). But one of the things that really got me was where Zoe said she would leave if Lir was unbanned and 'continued his usual obnoxiousness'. That's not cool. Now you're adding some more emotion to the admin's decisions. Now they must worry if it is worthwhile to add Lir if they'd be losing you, and that's really unfair. The decision should be made based on whether the admins feel it would help Wikipedia, overall.
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On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 14:14, Jesse Alter wrote:
Apparently, the issue with Lir is a bit deeper than I thought, and I do side with some of the people offended by her--some of the comments were sharp and a bit 'unladylike' (for the record, I think men and women should both behave 'ladylike' in polite company). But one of the things that really got me was where Zoe said she would leave if Lir was unbanned and 'continued his usual obnoxiousness'. That's not cool. Now you're adding some more emotion to the admin's decisions. Now they must worry if it is worthwhile to add Lir if they'd be losing you, and that's really unfair. The decision should be made based on whether the admins feel it would help Wikipedia, overall.
Just so you know, the only admin (in this sense) is Jimbo. He'll take other people's opinions under advisement, but there isn't a group of admins making a decision on whether Lir/Adam/Bridget/Vera Cruz should be allowed to participate in Wikipedia.
I don't think it was unreasonable for Zoe to say that she'd leave if Lir was unbanned. I don't think she's lying. Weighing the impact of Lir on the rest of the community's participation is exactly the task that must be done when considering him.
--tc
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On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, tarquin wrote:
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New lame variant on name is banned.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Fine. Goodbye. I'm obviously not wanted here. Zoe
Jesse Alter jesse@snacksoft.com wrote:Apparently, the issue with Lir is a bit deeper than I thought, and I do side with some of the people offended by her--some of the comments were sharp and a bit 'unladylike' (for the record, I think men and women should both behave 'ladylike' in polite company). But one of the things that really got me was where Zoe said she would leave if Lir was unbanned and 'continued his usual obnoxiousness'. That's not cool. Now you're adding some more emotion to the admin's decisions. Now they must worry if it is worthwhile to add Lir if they'd be losing you, and that's really unfair. The decision should be made based on whether the admins feel it would help Wikipedia, overall.
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At 11:20 PM 2/7/03 -0800, Zoe wrote:
Fine. Goodbye. I'm obviously not wanted here.
Please don't let one schmuck drive you away. You are wanted here--I just wasn't here last night to point this out.
Zoe
Jesse Alter jesse@snacksoft.com wrote: Apparently, the issue with Lir is a bit deeper than I thought, and I do side with some of the people offended by her--some of the comments were sharp and a bit 'unladylike' (for the record, I think men and women should both behave 'ladylike' in polite company). But one of the things that really got me was where Zoe said she would leave if Lir was unbanned and 'continued his usual obnoxiousness'. That's not cool. Now you're adding some more emotion to the admin's decisions. Now they must worry if it is worthwhile to add Lir if they'd be losing you, and that's really unfair. The decision should be made based on whether the admins feel it would help Wikipedia, overall.
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