-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Raymond [mailto:jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 01:22 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP, and admin role in overriding community review
On Wed, May 23, 2007 12:16 pm, Fred Bauder wrote:
We are responsible for enforcing Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. The alternative is OFFICE which is unworkable. If any administrator deletes it and cites Biographies of living persons that is the end of it until the Arbitration Committee says the deletion was unfounded. Yes, you do defer to any administrator who deletes on that basis. However, they should be thoroughly familiar with the policy and be applying it correctly. If they habitually overreach they will soon be in trouble with us.
Under what policy or ArbCom principle is this?
-Jeff
Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons
Fred
Fred Bauder wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Raymond [mailto:jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 01:22 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP, and admin role in overriding community review
On Wed, May 23, 2007 12:16 pm, Fred Bauder wrote:
We are responsible for enforcing Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. The alternative is OFFICE which is unworkable. If any administrator deletes it and cites Biographies of living persons that is the end of it until the Arbitration Committee says the deletion was unfounded. Yes, you do defer to any administrator who deletes on that basis. However, they should be thoroughly familiar with the policy and be applying it correctly. If they habitually overreach they will soon be in trouble with us.
Under what policy or ArbCom principle is this?
-Jeff
Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons
Fred
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Is ArbCom now doing content decisions? I think at the very least that's something the community should be notified about, even if not given the opportunity to discuss, that's a -major- change in the ArbCom's area of authority.
On 5/23/07, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
From: Jeff Raymond [mailto:jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com] Under what policy or ArbCom principle is this?
-Jeff
Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons
I don't see WP:BLP either explicitly saying or implying such handling; it seems to leave it to normal admin processes and consensus processes, as it is written now.
We are responsible for enforcing Wikipedia:Biographies of living
persons.
The alternative is OFFICE which is unworkable. If any administrator deletes it and cites Biographies of living persons that is the end of
it
until the Arbitration Committee says the deletion was unfounded. Yes,
you
do defer to any administrator who deletes on that basis. However, they should be thoroughly familiar with the policy and be applying it correctly. If they habitually overreach they will soon be in trouble
with
us.
Under what policy or ArbCom principle is this?
Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons
BLP says nothing approaching that.
On Wed, May 23, 2007 2:30 pm, Fred Bauder wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Raymond [mailto:jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 01:22 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP, and admin role in overriding community review
On Wed, May 23, 2007 12:16 pm, Fred Bauder wrote:
We are responsible for enforcing Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. The alternative is OFFICE which is unworkable. If any administrator deletes it and cites Biographies of living persons that is the end of it until the Arbitration Committee says the deletion was unfounded. Yes, you do defer to any administrator who deletes on that basis. However, they should be thoroughly familiar with the policy and be applying it correctly. If they habitually overreach they will soon be in trouble with us.
Under what policy or ArbCom principle is this?
-Jeff
Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons
Yeah, none of what you're saying is in there.
-Jeff
Fred Bauder wrote:
From: Jeff Raymond [mailto:jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com]
On Wed, May 23, 2007 12:16 pm, Fred Bauder wrote:
We are responsible for enforcing Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons.
Under what policy or ArbCom principle is this?
Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons
I just had a look at the actual text of the current revision of that policy, at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons&oldid=132420854 It only mentions the Arbitration committee once in the body of the text. Quoting:
The Arbitration Committee has ruled in favor of showing leniency to the subjects of biographies, especially when those subjects become Wikipedia editors:
(followed by a quotation from the ruling where this occurred)
This has absolutely nothing to do with whether the ArbCom is "responsible for enforcing Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons".
Could you be more specific?