172 is still POVing some articles have a look at : 2008 Summer Olympics history & Talk
No one seems interested in doing anything about him, despite repeatedly writing POV articles and refusing to compromise. If nobody cares what the Wikipedia looks like, why should we? Zoe Eric Demolli eric@bidouille.dyndns.org wrote:172 is still POVing some articles have a look at : 2008 Summer Olympics history & Talk
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Zoe wrote:
No one seems interested in doing anything about him, despite repeatedly writing POV articles and refusing to compromise. If nobody cares what the Wikipedia looks like, why should we?
I'm too busy watching Fwappler (and trying to understand what on earth s/he means) and despairing at the latest invasion by BDSMers. (what is it about fetishists and wikipedia? oh yeah. I remember. we're ALL masochists here.... ;-)
the Olympics article is fine at the mo. I'll stick it on my watchlist
I say this in all seriousness: 172 is forcing us to look at aspects of totalitarian regimes that we might otherwise miss.
On the other hand, he apparently never saw a totalitarian regime he didn't like. Not a "leftist" one anyway.
And willfully and massively deleting other people's changes to "his" articles changes without notice or discussion is inexcusable. As is his rudeness to Zoe.
I wonder if he is salvageable, given my first observation. Stalin did modernize Russia, and it's worth knowing, but only at the cost of millions of lives, also worth knowing, and more important. Ideally, someone like 172 says the first thing and someone like me says the second and we end up with an NPOV article. 172 rarely plays that way, however.
Tom Parmenter Ortolan88
|From: Jimmy Wales jwales@bomis.com |Content-Disposition: inline |Sender: wikien-l-admin@wikipedia.org |Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org |Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 04:14:20 -0800 | |Zoe wrote: |> No one seems interested in doing anything about him, despite |>repeatedly writing POV articles and refusing to compromise. If nobody |>cares what the Wikipedia looks like, why should we? | |Hey, I care. I was on vacation and I'm still catching up. | |--Jimbo |_______________________________________________ |WikiEN-l mailing list |WikiEN-l@wikipedia.org |http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
Tom Parmenter wrote:
I say this in all seriousness: 172 is forcing us to look at aspects of totalitarian regimes that we might otherwise miss.
On the other hand, he apparently never saw a totalitarian regime he didn't like. Not a "leftist" one anyway.
Delightful. A general rule of thumb is that if people can tell where I'm coming from, I'm not writing NPOV.
And willfully and massively deleting other people's changes to "his" articles changes without notice or discussion is inexcusable. As is his rudeness to Zoe.
Yes, this is unacceptable.
I wonder if he is salvageable, given my first observation. Stalin did modernize Russia, and it's worth knowing, but only at the cost of millions of lives, also worth knowing, and more important. Ideally, someone like 172 says the first thing and someone like me says the second and we end up with an NPOV article. 172 rarely plays that way, however.
And even that way of playing is misdirected, I think. We should all try to write for both sides as much as we can, rather than "competing" away our biases. If you see what I mean.
And if someone won't even play *that way*, well, forget it.
Can someone persuade 172 to come chat here?
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 01:08:47PM -0500, Tom Parmenter wrote:
I wonder if he is salvageable, given my first observation. Stalin did modernize Russia, and it's worth knowing, but only at the cost of millions of lives, also worth knowing, and more important. Ideally,
Stalin only modernized Russia with massive outside funding from the very "capitalists" he was supposedly fighting against.
Jonathan
Although I agree with Jonathan on this one, let's not debate, on this list, the particular merits of particular ideas in articles. Or at least, let's tie them back to policy.
Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 01:08:47PM -0500, Tom Parmenter wrote:
I wonder if he is salvageable, given my first observation. Stalin did modernize Russia, and it's worth knowing, but only at the cost of millions of lives, also worth knowing, and more important. Ideally,
Stalin only modernized Russia with massive outside funding from the very "capitalists" he was supposedly fighting against.
Jonathan
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I agree too. But this was meant to be an example of how contributors we don't agree with, whose very premises we suspect, can still make contributions to the Wikipedia.
Tom P. O88
|From: Jimmy Wales jwales@bomis.com |Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 05:25:41 -0800 | |Although I agree with Jonathan on this one, let's not debate, on this |list, the particular merits of particular ideas in articles. Or at |least, let's tie them back to policy. | |Jonathan Walther wrote: | |> On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 01:08:47PM -0500, Tom Parmenter wrote: |> >I wonder if he is salvageable, given my first observation. Stalin did |> >modernize Russia, and it's worth knowing, but only at the cost of |> >millions of lives, also worth knowing, and more important. Ideally, |> |> Stalin only modernized Russia with massive outside funding from the very |> "capitalists" he was supposedly fighting against. |> |> Jonathan |> |> -- |> Geek House Productions, Ltd. |> |> Providing Unix & Internet Contracting and Consulting, |> QA Testing, Technical Documentation, Systems Design & Implementation, |> General Programming, E-commerce, Web & Mail Services since 1998 |> |> Phone: 604-435-1205 |> Email: djw@reactor-core.org |> Webpage: http://reactor-core.org |> Address: 2459 E 41st Ave, Vancouver, BC V5R2W2 | | |_______________________________________________ |WikiEN-l mailing list |WikiEN-l@wikipedia.org |http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |