On 19/08/05, andyl2004@sympatico.ca andyl2004@sympatico.ca wrote:
The following is an incomplete list of those suspected to be members of, or to be the "useful idiots" of, the so-called "Elders of Wikipedia" (the Zionist cabal which has Wikipedia in its grip).
Why do I forsee this list becoming a badge of honour...
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Andrew Gray wrote:
On 19/08/05, andyl2004@sympatico.ca andyl2004@sympatico.ca wrote:
The following is an incomplete list of those suspected to be members of, or to be the "useful idiots" of, the so-called "Elders of Wikipedia" (the Zionist cabal which has Wikipedia in its grip).
Why do I forsee this list becoming a badge of honour...
... and I'm not on it! ;-(
Yours sincerely, - -- James D. Forrester Wikimedia : [[W:en:User:Jdforrester|James F.]] E-Mail : james@jdforrester.org IM (MSN) : jamesdforrester@hotmail.com
I was just going to write a polite email to the head honcho over there reminding him that they cannot use the wikipedia name for copyright reasons and that they have to reference wikipedia per the GFDL. Then I realised THEY HAVE TO REFERENCE WIKIPEDIA ON EVERY PAGE per the GFDL. Holy mother of crap! I don't want to read an article on how good JewWatch or whatever it's name is and then see on the bottom of the page "Original article from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". I feel dirty....................
I realise though that if they wanted to start a fork, there is nothing we could do about it. However, I wonder wether sending them an email reminding them of these two things is a good idea, it might sound as if we encourage it.
Anyway, if it's done someone more influential than me should perhaps compose it (although I wouldn't mind doing it if people wanted me to), but I am thinking perhaps that the best way to go is ignore the whole thing and hope that they forget about it.
--gkhan
On 20/08/05, Oskar Sigvardsson oskarsigvardsson@gmail.com wrote:
I realise though that if they wanted to start a fork, there is nothing we could do about it. However, I wonder wether sending them an email reminding them of these two things is a good idea, it might sound as if we encourage it.
It might be best to wait, check on it in a few weeks. If they start using the name, then poke them a bit?
--- Oskar Sigvardsson oskarsigvardsson@gmail.com wrote:
Then I realised THEY HAVE TO REFERENCE WIKIPEDIA ON EVERY PAGE per the GFDL. Holy mother of crap! I don't want to read an article on how good JewWatch or whatever it's name is and then see on the bottom of the page "Original article from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". I feel dirty....................
Ah, I guess we'll have to start WikiTeen.com, the Encyclopedia for Suburban American Teenagers. It will be the best-cleaned encyclopedia, as millions of caring parents and most worldwide advertisers will scour space to remove anything mildly controversial, painful, or reminiscent of suffering. Come to think of it, the Holocaust would probably not be featured but be scrubbed, along with WWI, WWII, and all wars since and before. Of course, WikiTeen will get the huge media contracts and giant sponsorship deals, so there will be money for getting people to write not-so NPOV articles... Wait, did I just describe current American media? Arrggg!!!
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Oskar Sigvardsson wrote:
[...] I am thinking perhaps that the best way to go is ignore the whole thing and hope that they forget about it.
Unless they get a lot smarter than they've proven so far, they're going to have a hard time just getting it running - 10 pages of homemade wiki is easy, 600K+ articles plus 400K+ pictures (counting commons, where many reside now) takes rather more system-fu.
But keep watching stormfront.org, so you can enjoy the complaints about how their MW setup difficulties are clear evidence of Brion's collaboration with the international Zionist conspiracy. :-)
Stan
I'm perfectly happy that they're doing this; it will keep the moron naziboys away from Wikipedia.
jpgordon
considering the amount we collectivly know about effective vandalism tactics. no thats wrong.
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Stan Shebs wrote:
Oskar Sigvardsson wrote:
[...] I am thinking perhaps that the best way to go is ignore the whole thing and hope that they forget about it.
Unless they get a lot smarter than they've proven so far, they're going to have a hard time just getting it running - 10 pages of homemade wiki is easy, 600K+ articles plus 400K+ pictures (counting commons, where many reside now) takes rather more system-fu.
But keep watching stormfront.org, so you can enjoy the complaints about how their MW setup difficulties are clear evidence of Brion's collaboration with the international Zionist conspiracy. :-)
The mediawiki devs could refuse to offer them tech support when they try on wikitech-l and #mediawiki :)
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Wikipedia is released under the GFDL so even they can use "our" content. It will probably stop them vandalizing as they'll be too busy with their own wiki. But I do agree that using the name "Stormfront Wikipedia" should not be allowed. It shouldn't imply any connection with Wikipedia or MediaWiki.
--Mgm
On 8/20/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
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Stan Shebs wrote:
Oskar Sigvardsson wrote:
[...] I am thinking perhaps that the best way to go is ignore the whole thing and hope that they forget about it.
Unless they get a lot smarter than they've proven so far, they're going to have a hard time just getting it running - 10 pages of homemade wiki is easy, 600K+ articles plus 400K+ pictures (counting commons, where many reside now) takes rather more system-fu.
But keep watching stormfront.org, so you can enjoy the complaints about how their MW setup difficulties are clear evidence of Brion's collaboration with the international Zionist conspiracy. :-)
The mediawiki devs could refuse to offer them tech support when they try on wikitech-l and #mediawiki :)
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MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote:
Wikipedia is released under the GFDL so even they can use "our" content. It will probably stop them vandalizing as they'll be too busy with their own wiki. But I do agree that using the name "Stormfront Wikipedia" should not be allowed. It shouldn't imply any connection with Wikipedia or MediaWiki.
Indeed, Wikipedia is GFDL so anyone can do whatever with it so long as they continue to license it under the GFDL and provide a list of authors.
"Stormfront Wikipedia" is unnacceptable on the simple grounds of trademark infringement. "Stormfrontpedia" would be acceptable. "Nazipedia" might get them into trouble in whatever juridstiction their servers are located in :)
Anyway, my point was that if they have trouble setting up Mediawiki, the devs (or anyone else) are under no obligation to help them. That is the beauty of the warranty disclaimer in the GPL :)
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On 8/20/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed, Wikipedia is GFDL so anyone can do whatever with it so long as they continue to license it under the GFDL and provide a list of authors.
"Stormfront Wikipedia" is unnacceptable on the simple grounds of trademark infringement. "Stormfrontpedia" would be acceptable. "Nazipedia" might get them into trouble in whatever juridstiction their servers are located in :)
I can't say that I feel entirely comfortable with suggesting snappy names for these people to use. Hateopedia or Wikiphobia sounds about right to me.
I don't recall if the GFDL allows this or not, but there is a clause in the CC licenses which allow original license holders to request that they are specifically NOT given credit on usage of materials, for just this type of circumstance. That is, if I wrote a book and released it under a CC license, and a neo-Nazi group want to redistribute parts of it as an introduction to their own CC work, I could specifically request that my name be left off of all materials. But I don't think the GFDL supports this, or does it?
Anyway, it was inevitable that wiki technology would be used for ill, just like all technologies. I think the benefits in this case still win out.
FF
On 8/19/05, Oskar Sigvardsson oskarsigvardsson@gmail.com wrote:
I was just going to write a polite email to the head honcho over there reminding him that they cannot use the wikipedia name for copyright reasons and that they have to reference wikipedia per the GFDL. Then I realised THEY HAVE TO REFERENCE WIKIPEDIA ON EVERY PAGE per the GFDL. Holy mother of crap! I don't want to read an article on how good JewWatch or whatever it's name is and then see on the bottom of the page "Original article from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". I feel dirty....................
I realise though that if they wanted to start a fork, there is nothing we could do about it. However, I wonder wether sending them an email reminding them of these two things is a good idea, it might sound as if we encourage it.
Anyway, if it's done someone more influential than me should perhaps compose it (although I wouldn't mind doing it if people wanted me to), but I am thinking perhaps that the best way to go is ignore the whole thing and hope that they forget about it.
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