I'd like to know what my options are after Ambi called me a jerk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#Everyki...
Now, before I make a fool of myself making an inappropiate fuss on the wiki, maybe someone could tell me if there are any proper channels of redress for this kind of thing, whether or not Ambi is 'untouchable' and therefore it's not worth me defending myself.
Thanks in advance,
Dan100
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On 6/3/05, Dan Grey dangrey101@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I'd like to know what my options are after Ambi called me a jerk:
I think enough whining about this has gone on already. You told the arbcom to "stop playing Perry Mason and go write some articles". Ambi took exception to this and called you a jerk. Much childishness ensued.
I'd suggest that both you and Ambi quit this and get about doing something more useful for the whole project.
And although the whole Wikipedia dispute resolution process is convoluted and somewhat painful, it serves a necessary purpose and is the least bad way of dealing with certain problems we've yet managed to devise. Saying "why can't we all just get along?" doesn't work when some people are determined to NOT get along.
-Matt (User:Morven)
On 6/3/05, Dan Grey dangrey101@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I'd like to know what my options are after Ambi called me a jerk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#Everyki...
Now, before I make a fool of myself making an inappropiate fuss on the wiki, maybe someone could tell me if there are any proper channels of redress for this kind of thing, whether or not Ambi is 'untouchable' and therefore it's not worth me defending myself.
I think you should take Ambi's advice. Making a fuss over her comment merely underscores the point she was making.
So can I take it as being OK to call someone a jerk?
Dan100
--- Skyring skyring@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/3/05, Dan Grey dangrey101@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I'd like to know what my options are after Ambi
called
me a jerk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#Everyki...
Now, before I make a fool of myself making an inappropiate fuss on the wiki, maybe someone could tell me if there are any proper channels of
redress
for this kind of thing, whether or not Ambi is 'untouchable' and therefore it's not worth me defending myself.
I think you should take Ambi's advice. Making a fuss over her comment merely underscores the point she was making.
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On 6/3/05, Dan Grey dangrey101@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
So can I take it as being OK to call someone a jerk?
No. But you can follow the advice given to you, quite sanely, on that very same page, and calmly take it up with Ambi herself if you're still smarting over it.
You shouldn't have insulted her (and the rest of the committee). She shouldn't have called you a jerk. You are equally to blame. I don't know what sort of action you want anyone to take here; I don't believe any official outside action is called for. All involved parties should cool off, apologize for the intemperate words, and deal with the issues that underlie your barbs rather than the namecalling.
-Kat [[User:Mindspillage]]
--- Skyring skyring@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/3/05, Dan Grey dangrey101@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I'd like to know what my options are after Ambi
called
me a jerk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#Everyki...
Now, before I make a fool of myself making an inappropiate fuss on the wiki, maybe someone could tell me if there are any proper channels of
redress
for this kind of thing, whether or not Ambi is 'untouchable' and therefore it's not worth me defending myself.
I think you should take Ambi's advice. Making a fuss over her comment merely underscores the point she was making.
-- Peter in Canberra
Yep, I agree with Mindspillage. Apologize to each other and patch things up. One personal attack, while bad, isn't enough to call for sanctions on either of you. Discussing it with each other is much more productive.
-Mgm
On 6/3/05, Kat Walsh mindspillage@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/3/05, Dan Grey dangrey101@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
So can I take it as being OK to call someone a jerk?
No. But you can follow the advice given to you, quite sanely, on that very same page, and calmly take it up with Ambi herself if you're still smarting over it.
You shouldn't have insulted her (and the rest of the committee). She shouldn't have called you a jerk. You are equally to blame. I don't know what sort of action you want anyone to take here; I don't believe any official outside action is called for. All involved parties should cool off, apologize for the intemperate words, and deal with the issues that underlie your barbs rather than the namecalling.
-Kat [[User:Mindspillage]]
--- Skyring skyring@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/3/05, Dan Grey dangrey101@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I'd like to know what my options are after Ambi
called
me a jerk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#Everyki...
Now, before I make a fool of myself making an inappropiate fuss on the wiki, maybe someone could tell me if there are any proper channels of
redress
for this kind of thing, whether or not Ambi is 'untouchable' and therefore it's not worth me defending myself.
I think you should take Ambi's advice. Making a fuss over her comment merely underscores the point she was making.
-- Peter in Canberra
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Kat Walsh a écrit: All involved parties should
cool off, apologize for the intemperate words, and deal with the issues that underlie your barbs rather than the namecalling.
-Kat [[User:Mindspillage]]
Nod. Exactly.
It is unfortunately real that some of us (me included sometimes) resort to using bad words to call others when the pressure is too high. But that happens. Best is to give it a few hours, feel the regret build up, apology and try to put the whole thing aside. Not always easy. But the best.
I would even go as far as saying that after a while... you get to realise some people just blow up this way from time to time. Then, you somehow get used to it. But generally, abusive use of insults get oneself bad reputation.
ant
Thank you all for answering my questions, and for your advice, particulary Ed Poor.
I have apologized to Ambi for my original comments. They were not *meant* to be a personal attack, however, if that is how they have been read, then that is what they are, and so an apology is in order.
I have also simply expressed my disappointment with Ambi's comments, and want to leave it there. I just expected more of an arbitrator.
So that is that :-)
Dan100
--- Anthere anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
Kat Walsh a écrit: All involved parties should
cool off, apologize for the intemperate words, and
deal with the
issues that underlie your barbs rather than the
namecalling.
-Kat [[User:Mindspillage]]
Nod. Exactly.
It is unfortunately real that some of us (me included sometimes) resort to using bad words to call others when the pressure is too high. But that happens. Best is to give it a few hours, feel the regret build up, apology and try to put the whole thing aside. Not always easy. But the best.
I would even go as far as saying that after a while... you get to realise some people just blow up this way from time to time. Then, you somehow get used to it. But generally, abusive use of insults get oneself bad reputation.
ant
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No, even Ambi would agree that it is not ok to call someone a jerk. But is it to be "Never forget; never forgive" or "Live and let live"? Or is there a serious problem here that we all need to closely look at? I would say the criteria for judging that question would be whether this problem goes on an on or whether Ambi as well as you is willing to forgive and forget.
Fred
On Jun 3, 2005, at 3:22 AM, Dan Grey wrote:
So can I take it as being OK to call someone a jerk?
Dan100
--- Skyring skyring@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/3/05, Dan Grey dangrey101@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I'd like to know what my options are after Ambi
called
me a jerk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#Everyking_3_deadlock.3F
Now, before I make a fool of myself making an inappropiate fuss on the wiki, maybe someone could tell me if there are any proper channels of
redress
for this kind of thing, whether or not Ambi is 'untouchable' and therefore it's not worth me defending myself.
I think you should take Ambi's advice. Making a fuss over her comment merely underscores the point she was making.
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There are no untouchables, however, this incident will be looked at in the context of all of Ambi's behavior, which means that it is unlikely that we will dump all over someone who generally acts in a responsible way. It is possible for a Wikipedia user to destroy their reputation by repeatedly trading on it in an inappropriate way, but it takes a series of incidents.
As to a channel of redress, begin with Ambi. As to whether further steps are appropriate, use common sense. Are we dealing with an important problem or an isolated incident?
Fred
On Jun 3, 2005, at 1:48 AM, Dan Grey wrote:
I'd like to know what my options are after Ambi called me a jerk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#Everyking_3_deadlock.3F
Now, before I make a fool of myself making an inappropiate fuss on the wiki, maybe someone could tell me if there are any proper channels of redress for this kind of thing, whether or not Ambi is 'untouchable' and therefore it's not worth me defending myself.
Thanks in advance,
Dan100
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From: Dan Grey dangrey101@yahoo.co.uk
I'd like to know what my options are after Ambi called me a jerk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#Everyki...
Now, before I make a fool of myself making an inappropiate fuss on the wiki, maybe someone could tell me if there are any proper channels of redress for this kind of thing, whether or not Ambi is 'untouchable' and therefore it's not worth me defending myself.
In my experience, it usually takes consistent application of far worse labels in order to make an Arbitration Committee case, and that applies to everyone, not just Ambi. That said, your implication that admins are held to a different standard of conduct is true, but the standard they are held to is actually much higher than that of the typical editor.
Jay.
--- Dan Grey dangrey101@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I'd like to know what my options are after Ambi called me a jerk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#Everyki...
I would think your option is clear. Stop being a jerk.
RickK
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