We need to get information of this sort before the genaral audience of users so that they have an informed opinion when they vote on arbitrators.
Fred
From: Sean Barrett sean@epoptic.org Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:42:13 -0800 To: arbitration@nerstrand.net Subject: Re: Decisions, Opinions, Precedents and Learning from Experience
I suggest that on any matter each arbitrator first state a conclusion such as accept or don't accept then a brief (or lengthy as it suits them) explanation of why.
I agree with you, Fred, but as I am demonstrating at the moment, if an arbiter's opinion is thought to be "incorrect", there will be immediate calls for his/her removal for thoughtcrime. A chilling effect might be seen.
-- Sean Barrett | Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. sean@epoptic.com |
"arbitration@nerstrand.net" I guess that is the 'secret' email list, eh? (secret as in "archives are not world-readable")
I agree with you, Fred, but as I am demonstrating at the moment, if an arbiter's opinion is thought to be "incorrect", there will be immediate calls for his/her removal for thoughtcrime. A chilling effect might be seen.
That is nonsense. As I have replied in the correct thread:
1. I did not call for your removal 2. The reason I criticised you was that you were (you agreed) condescending towards others.
I feel that your concern of not wanting to get involved in every name-calling dispute is a valid one, and should be discussed. I asked you numerous times to give reasons for holding the views you do, but you declined to give them.
Your calling my criticisms against you an enforcement of "thoughtcrime" is rather ridiculous given the fact that I *want* to discuss the issue and you quite evidently don't.
Best, Sascha Noyes
Anyway,
On Sunday 25 January 2004 12:01 pm, Fred Bauder wrote:
We need to get information of this sort before the genaral audience of users so that they have an informed opinion when they vote on arbitrators.
Fred
From: Sean Barrett sean@epoptic.org Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:42:13 -0800 To: arbitration@nerstrand.net Subject: Re: Decisions, Opinions, Precedents and Learning from Experience
I suggest that on any matter each arbitrator first state a conclusion such as accept or don't accept then a brief (or lengthy as it suits them) explanation of why.
I agree with you, Fred, but as I am demonstrating at the moment, if an arbiter's opinion is thought to be "incorrect", there will be immediate calls for his/her removal for thoughtcrime. A chilling effect might be seen.
-- Sean Barrett | Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. sean@epoptic.com |
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That is nonsense. As I have replied in the correct thread:
- I did not call for your removal
- The reason I criticised you was that you were (you agreed) condescending
towards others.
Then you should not take my comment to Fred as a reaction to you. You haven't, but others have explicitly called from my removal.
I feel that your concern of not wanting to get involved in every name-calling dispute is a valid one, and should be discussed. I asked you numerous times to give reasons for holding the views you do, but you declined to give them.
Then I made a mistake. I took the ... um ... urgency of your request for discussion to be more accusatory than it appears I should have. I am willing to discuss the issue with anyone prepared to consider the possibility that my position has valid aspects to it; I am not willing to defend my position against charges that I seek to destroy civiliz- ... I mean, Wikipedia as we know it.
Give me a moment to prepare a cogent statement, and the discussion can begin.
On Sunday 25 January 2004 03:43 pm, Sean Barrett wrote:
Then I made a mistake. I took the ... um ... urgency of your request for discussion to be more accusatory than it appears I should have. I am willing to discuss the issue with anyone prepared to consider the possibility that my position has valid aspects to it; I am not willing to defend my position against charges that I seek to destroy civiliz- ... I mean, Wikipedia as we know it.
I do apologise for being too accusatory and implying that you were trying to destroy civilisation. :)
Best, Sascha Noyes