A few weeks ago we had a discussion on this list about the topic of the [[Knowledge]] article. A few people had been confused about its purpose, and we clarified it.
This article, as you will recall, is NOT about just any way that English speakers might choose to use the word. Rather, this article is specifically about the philosophical definition of how to ascertain which beliefs are true, justifiable and actionable. The "Knowledge" article discusses specifically the philosophical definition of knowledge, as related to epistemology. Among philosophers, this topic is widely known as the Gettier problem.
Sadly, in recent days EntmootOfTrolls has been trying to pervert this article into a treatise on colonialism, racism and "SCIENTISM". Sadly, he uses this as an ad-homenim personal attack against those people who use science and philosophy.
Both RotenDam and myself have repeatedly tried to explain to EofT what this article is about, but he keeps ignoring us, claiming that we are violating NPOV, and he keeps implying that we are "colonialist", bigoted, and perpetrators of "scientism" (which in his mind is a form of hatespeech or bigotry.)
It gets worse. The following anti-Semitic jibe was just posted on my personal Talk page by EntmootOfTrolls.
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Hmm. It seems clear from the above that you have general problems discerning racism and colonialism in other contexts. Likely being an American makes you also prone to scientism. You should reflect on this cultural bias of yours. It is now fairly clear why you wish to establish knowledge as something which derives either from authority or scientific method, and why other ways to approach knowledge are degraded by you, as part of your other beliefs in a hierarchy specific to "your people" (Jews, Americans, scientists, "settlers"). You will not be permitted to hijack articles with these views. It is time for you to reconsider your attempt to do so. EofT
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I am outraged at his blatant anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist attack. We have been trying to explain that this article is about philosophy and the Gettier problem. His reponse? He responds by slandering my entire people (THE JEWS) as COLONIALIST, SETTLERS, etc. (Only in a very anti-Semitic mind could all Jews be seen as Israelis, or settlers, etc.)
This person should be banned, immediately, right? I assume that Wikipedia does not allow one to use racist slurs against blacks, Irish, English, etc. I hope that Wikipedia practice forbids the personal abuse of English contributors as "occupiers", or the slander of Irish people as "terrorists", etc! This is not the way to contribute to articles on philosophy...or anything else.
Racist comments against Wikipedia contributors should not be allowed. Are we agreed?
Robert (RK)
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Is this his first offence? If so, he shouldn't be banned.
Robert rkscience100@yahoo.com wrote:A few weeks ago we had a discussion on this list about the topic of the [[Knowledge]] article. A few people had been confused about its purpose, and we clarified it.
This article, as you will recall, is NOT about just any way that English speakers might choose to use the word. Rather, this article is specifically about the philosophical definition of how to ascertain which beliefs are true, justifiable and actionable. The "Knowledge" article discusses specifically the philosophical definition of knowledge, as related to epistemology. Among philosophers, this topic is widely known as the Gettier problem.
Sadly, in recent days EntmootOfTrolls has been trying to pervert this article into a treatise on colonialism, racism and "SCIENTISM". Sadly, he uses this as an ad-homenim personal attack against those people who use science and philosophy.
Both RotenDam and myself have repeatedly tried to explain to EofT what this article is about, but he keeps ignoring us, claiming that we are violating NPOV, and he keeps implying that we are "colonialist", bigoted, and perpetrators of "scientism" (which in his mind is a form of hatespeech or bigotry.)
It gets worse. The following anti-Semitic jibe was just posted on my personal Talk page by EntmootOfTrolls.
*** Begin quote ***
Hmm. It seems clear from the above that you have general problems discerning racism and colonialism in other contexts. Likely being an American makes you also prone to scientism. You should reflect on this cultural bias of yours. It is now fairly clear why you wish to establish knowledge as something which derives either from authority or scientific method, and why other ways to approach knowledge are degraded by you, as part of your other beliefs in a hierarchy specific to "your people" (Jews, Americans, scientists, "settlers"). You will not be permitted to hijack articles with these views. It is time for you to reconsider your attempt to do so. EofT
*** End quote ***
I am outraged at his blatant anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist attack. We have been trying to explain that this article is about philosophy and the Gettier problem. His reponse? He responds by slandering my entire people (THE JEWS) as COLONIALIST, SETTLERS, etc. (Only in a very anti-Semitic mind could all Jews be seen as Israelis, or settlers, etc.)
This person should be banned, immediately, right? I assume that Wikipedia does not allow one to use racist slurs against blacks, Irish, English, etc. I hope that Wikipedia practice forbids the personal abuse of English contributors as "occupiers", or the slander of Irish people as "terrorists", etc! This is not the way to contribute to articles on philosophy...or anything else.
Racist comments against Wikipedia contributors should not be allowed. Are we agreed?
Robert (RK)
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Dan: "Is this his first offence? If so, he shouldn't be banned?"
No, Dan. Robert has repeatedly commited the absolute crime of calling people racist anti-Semites. In his message - he seems to be quite quick to admit it. I do not favor banning anyone based on their ethnicity, their degree of consumedness in thier religions and ethnic traditions. I do favor banning people based on their vile treatment of others. Robert has invited all the negative Karma he recieves - as it is will all Karmic issues.
As Anthere quite eloquently put it - Robert is using Antheres inability in English as a way of trying to chase him off to somewhere else. In fact, despite Anthere's broken English - he is far more expressive in it than Robert - even giving even a hint of pity for his subject.
I dont pity Robert - but I do condemn his actions - his acrimony and venom constantly thrown at people. If he was on an episode of survivor, he'd be kicked off early. He would gripe like a grinch that the reason was "anti-Semitism", but the truth would be that it was his own piss-poor attitude that made others dislike him. Join the world Robert. I hope your not too old to take a vacation. Get some RandR like the Brazilians do every year. Youll be happier - and you can take the lofty weight of your tribe off your shoulders, finally. Your ego overshadows your faith sometimes. As it does with all of us.
God Bless, -SM
Stevertigo wrote: stuff that's not relevant to this post but in a format that is....
Black text on black background? Aggghhh!
sannse
p.s. Anthere = she, as she has said many, many times.
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