Durova, in an interview, posted on YouTube, states her own real full name.
The identification of Durova, is now strewn widely across the internet.
Can we not repeat her own real full name in-Wiki ?
Will Johnson
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On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 7:30 PM, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
Durova, in an interview, posted on YouTube, states her own real full name.
The identification of Durova, is now strewn widely across the internet.
Can we not repeat her own real full name in-Wiki ?
Will Johnson
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I know her real name, and have for some time. That doesn't mean we need to publicize it further.
I don't particularly care if someone uses my real name, after all, I use it on a public mailing list, so I don't particularly intend to keep it a secret. But if I said "Please do not use my real name on-wiki," I would -still- expect those wishes to be respected.
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 8:30 PM, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
Durova, in an interview, posted on YouTube, states her own real full name.
The identification of Durova, is now strewn widely across the internet.
Can we not repeat her own real full name in-Wiki ?
Will Johnson
I can't see any reason to publish her name onwiki if she doesn't want it (and I don't know whether she does).
It does get harder to maintain a right to pseudonymity if you're deliberately linking your real name to the pseudonym elsewhere, but I'd still say if there's no need to post the real name onwiki, and the person doesn't want it, we should err in their favor.
Sarah
This strikes me as a rampantly imponderable question.
On the one hand, if Durova had in fact revealed her real name publicly, it seems to me she has little right to object to people using it.
But on the other hand, if she objects to people using it, it seems to me one would have to be a real churl to insist on doing so anyway.
SlimVirgin wrote:
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 8:30 PM, wrote:
Durova, in an interview, posted on YouTube, states her own real full name.
The identification of Durova, is now strewn widely across the internet.
Can we not repeat her own real full name in-Wiki ?
I can't see any reason to publish her name onwiki if she doesn't want it (and I don't know whether she does).
It does get harder to maintain a right to pseudonymity if you're deliberately linking your real name to the pseudonym elsewhere, but I'd still say if there's no need to post the real name onwiki, and the person doesn't want it, we should err in their favor.
I generally support this view, and it seems that most of us who are willing to respect another editor as a person would do that naturally. If we know her name, so what? Those whose motives I would most distrust are the ones who would persist in startlingly unnecessary actions or revelations.
Ec
Also people assume she used the real name, it could still be a pseudonym...
- White Cat
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
SlimVirgin wrote:
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 8:30 PM, wrote:
Durova, in an interview, posted on YouTube, states her own real full
name.
The identification of Durova, is now strewn widely across the
internet.
Can we not repeat her own real full name in-Wiki ?
I can't see any reason to publish her name onwiki if she doesn't want it (and I don't know whether she does).
It does get harder to maintain a right to pseudonymity if you're deliberately linking your real name to the pseudonym elsewhere, but I'd still say if there's no need to post the real name onwiki, and the person doesn't want it, we should err in their favor.
I generally support this view, and it seems that most of us who are willing to respect another editor as a person would do that naturally. If we know her name, so what? Those whose motives I would most distrust are the ones who would persist in startlingly unnecessary actions or revelations.
Ec
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We should avoid obsessing with other peoples personal information unless there is an article about them on the article namespace.
- White Cat
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 4:30 AM, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
Durova, in an interview, posted on YouTube, states her own real full name.
The identification of Durova, is now strewn widely across the internet.
Can we not repeat her own real full name in-Wiki ?
Will Johnson
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2008/5/18 WJhonson@aol.com:
Durova, in an interview, posted on YouTube, states her own real full name.
The identification of Durova, is now strewn widely across the internet.
Can we not repeat her own real full name in-Wiki ?
Will Johnson https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
I'm not entirely sure why you'd ever need to use her real name on-wiki. She's known as Durova, as much as I am known as Majorly/Al Tally. I use my real name on these lists and some other places, but never on-wiki, and personally I'd prefer people didn't use it.
2008/5/18 Majorly axel9891@googlemail.com:
I'm not entirely sure why you'd ever need to use her real name on-wiki. She's known as Durova, as much as I am known as Majorly/Al Tally. I use my real name on these lists and some other places, but never on-wiki, and personally I'd prefer people didn't use it.
-- Alex Newman http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Majorly _______________________________________________ https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
It's the same with me - anyone who receives an email from me, including the mailing list will know my real name. However, I don't want it being linked to me on-wiki. While this is a public list, to some extent it's still private, because I doubt many people who aren't wikipedians themselves have signed up to this list. Still, back to the point, I feel that Durova's identity should be kept quiet. If Durova wants to reveal her identity, then she can do it herself - she is quite capable of that. She does not need someone else to publicise it for her.
Stwalkerster
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:30 PM, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
Durova, in an interview, posted on YouTube, states her own real full name.
The identification of Durova, is now strewn widely across the internet.
Can we not repeat her own real full name in-Wiki ?
As the projects have not adopted any sort of real name policy, I'd say it's up to her.
Personally I do find it somewhat annoying, but I don't see any reason why we shouldn't respect her wishes. Do you?
Anthony
On 18/05/2008, WJhonson@aol.com WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
Durova, in an interview, posted on YouTube, states her own real full name.
The identification of Durova, is now strewn widely across the internet.
Can we not repeat her own real full name in-Wiki ?
I would say you could use her real full name on-wiki, but only if doing so significantly aids the project in some way (and that seems unlikely). All else being equal, there is no reason not to follow her wishes.
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I would say you could use her real full name on-wiki, but only if doing so significantly aids the project in some way (and that seems unlikely). All else being equal, there is no reason not to follow her wishes.
Agreed. It is polite to refer to people as they wish to be addressed, within reasonable bounds. Deliberately using someone's real name instead of their chosen handle is uncivil unless there's good reason to do so.
-Matt
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Matthew Brown morven@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I would say you could use her real full name on-wiki, but only if doing so significantly aids the project in some way (and that seems unlikely). All else being equal, there is no reason not to follow her wishes.
Agreed. It is polite to refer to people as they wish to be addressed, within reasonable bounds. Deliberately using someone's real name instead of their chosen handle is uncivil unless there's good reason to do so.
Really? I'd say the default position is that it's fine to use someone's real first name when addressing them, if that name is publicly known and unless they have requested otherwise.
In this particular case I know that User:Durova does object to being referred to by her name. So I respect that, and I generally try not to use her name at all, pseudonym or otherwise, because I feel silly referring to someone by their handle.
This said, "Durova" is at least a semi-reasonable handle. If someone requested that I refer to them on-wiki as "Lord Voldemort" I think I'd have to refuse. I say this with apologies to [[User:Lord Voldemort]].
2008/5/18 Anthony wikimail@inbox.org:
This said, "Durova" is at least a semi-reasonable handle. If someone requested that I refer to them on-wiki as "Lord Voldemort" I think I'd have to refuse. I say this with apologies to [[User:Lord Voldemort]].
You could call him "Tom", though he might fly into a rage and turn you into a newt ...
- d.
David Gerard wrote:
2008/5/18 Anthony:
This said, "Durova" is at least a semi-reasonable handle. If someone requested that I refer to them on-wiki as "Lord Voldemort" I think I'd have to refuse. I say this with apologies to [[User:Lord Voldemort]].
You could call him "Tom", though he might fly into a rage and turn you into a newt ...
It's an interesting twist on the issue. I love the humble self-deprecating tone of "Durova". (I just checked my Russian dictionary.) I have more problems with someone who wants to stress his association with a pompous institution like the English House of Lords. I suppose we could always say "Oh, Lordy," as a way of helping to burst that bubble.
Ec
On 19/05/2008, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
2008/5/18 Anthony:
This said, "Durova" is at least a semi-reasonable handle. If someone requested that I refer to them on-wiki as "Lord Voldemort" I think I'd have to refuse. I say this with apologies to [[User:Lord Voldemort]].
You could call him "Tom", though he might fly into a rage and turn you into a newt ...
It's an interesting twist on the issue. I love the humble self-deprecating tone of "Durova". (I just checked my Russian dictionary.) I have more problems with someone who wants to stress his association with a pompous institution like the English House of Lords. I suppose we could always say "Oh, Lordy," as a way of helping to burst that bubble.
To the best of my knowledge, Lord Voldemort never sat in the House of Lords... The House is usually made up of peers of the realm, rather than dark wizards... ;)
Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 19/05/2008, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
2008/5/18 Anthony:
This said, "Durova" is at least a semi-reasonable handle. If someone requested that I refer to them on-wiki as "Lord Voldemort" I think I'd have to refuse. I say this with apologies to [[User:Lord Voldemort]].
You could call him "Tom", though he might fly into a rage and turn you into a newt ...
It's an interesting twist on the issue. I love the humble self-deprecating tone of "Durova". (I just checked my Russian dictionary.) I have more problems with someone who wants to stress his association with a pompous institution like the English House of Lords. I suppose we could always say "Oh, Lordy," as a way of helping to burst that bubble.
To the best of my knowledge, Lord Voldemort never sat in the House of Lords... The House is usually made up of peers of the realm, rather than dark wizards... ;)
Is there any difference? :-)
Ec
Ray Saintonge wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
2008/5/18 Anthony:
This said, "Durova" is at least a semi-reasonable handle. If someone requested that I refer to them on-wiki as "Lord Voldemort" I think I'd have to refuse. I say this with apologies to [[User:Lord Voldemort]].
You could call him "Tom", though he might fly into a rage and turn you into a newt ...
It's an interesting twist on the issue. I love the humble self-deprecating tone of "Durova". (I just checked my Russian dictionary.) I have more problems with someone who wants to stress his association with a pompous institution like the English House of Lords. I suppose we could always say "Oh, Lordy," as a way of helping to burst that bubble.
Ec
Well, the original meaning of the word "lord" isn't that high-faluting. It is merely the guy whose bread people under one roof eat, the "host".
Yours
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:30 PM, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
Durova, in an interview, posted on YouTube, states her own real full name.
The identification of Durova, is now strewn widely across the internet.
Can we not repeat her own real full name in-Wiki ?
Will Johnson
I do have to say that I appreciate you not using her real name in this post, but I have no idea why you spammed it to so many (some off-topic) mailing lists.