Sorry, pressed send by mistake prematurely, here is the rest of my message
This is a natural consequence of wikipedia, because virtually all discussions on wikipedia are about disputes. You don't put something on a talk-page if you agree with them, and you don't start an RFC either.
The chess championship is a way for users to interact in a way that is not related to disputes. Please let us have it. If it gets out of hand, I'll be the first to send it to a VfD
- gkhan
Oskar Sigvardsson (oskarsigvardsson@gmail.com) [050704 20:44]:
This is a natural consequence of wikipedia, because virtually all discussions on wikipedia are about disputes. You don't put something on a talk-page if you agree with them, and you don't start an RFC either.
Hmm, that's a good point.
The chess championship is a way for users to interact in a way that is not related to disputes.
I do see your point on this. It's why some people complain of an "IRC clique" - i.e., IRC habitues tend to know each other as reasonable folk to chat to, so form a picture of each other as humans rather than nametags on disagreements. In-person wikimeets do this too. Interesting. Do the various Collaboration Of The Week projects have any similar effect? What else does?
- d.
A very important bonding and befriending exercise for me was my participation in the writing of European Toilet Paper Holder and the subsequent occasional silliness that has flowed from that. This kind of play has in turn led to encyclopedia enhancements like WP:FLC or the [[List of cultural references in the Divine Comedy]]. In my experience some trust and friendship develops from cooperation on an article. Equally, some articles develop from friendly discussion arising from play.
Theo
On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:38:49 +0100, David Gerard wrote:
�I do see your point on this. It's why some people complain of an�"IRC �clique" - i.e., IRC habitues tend to know each other as reasonable�folk to �chat to, so form a picture of each other as humans rather than�nametags on �disagreements. In-person wikimeets do this too. Interesting. Do the�various �Collaboration Of The Week projects have any similar effect? What�else does?
in response to�Oskar Sigvardsson writing:
�The chess championship is a way for users to interact in a way �that is�not related to disputes.
On 7/4/05, Oskar Sigvardsson oskarsigvardsson@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, pressed send by mistake prematurely, here is the rest of my message
This is a natural consequence of wikipedia, because virtually all discussions on wikipedia are about disputes. You don't put something on a talk-page if you agree with them, and you don't start an RFC either.
The chess championship is a way for users to interact in a way that is not related to disputes. Please let us have it. If it gets out of hand, I'll be the first to send it to a VfD
I'm amused to see that for this topic GMail has given me a set of advertising links related to computer game geeks.
I think you've hit the nail on the head, Oskar! My first encounters with a particular editor made me think I'd met a smart-arse teenager, and I was startled to see that he thought the same of me.
We should have more opportunities for collaboration, and they should begin right from the start. If that takes the form of game-playing and we begin to see each other as real human beings rather than faceless edit opponents, then this is a good thing.
Perhaps we should have a "buddy" system in place - a new member gets a designated buddy to guide them in their first steps in Wikipedia and stop them from making mistakes and enemies.
As for the games, if they aren't consuming significant resources and they reduce stress, then keep them by all means. Just find some way to stop them clogging up RC. And make sure that people don't come here just to play games. There are a zillion game sites on the net - let's not make WP games TOO enthralling!
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Skyring wrote:
As for the games, if they aren't consuming significant resources and they reduce stress, then keep them by all means. Just find some way to stop them clogging up RC. And make sure that people don't come here just to play games. There are a zillion game sites on the net - let's not make WP games TOO enthralling!
"You have been blocked by (someone) for 24 hours. Reason: excessive game playing. Make some edits to articles, damnit!"
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Oh, my apologies Rowan. I guess I don't really understand trolling at all, and thru my ignorance misunderstood you. What about the trolls thor used to smash w his hammer?
Jack (Sam Spade)
On 7/5/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
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As for the games, if they aren't consuming significant resources and they reduce stress, then keep them by all means. Just find some way to stop them clogging up RC. And make sure that people don't come here just to play games. There are a zillion game sites on the net - let's not make WP games TOO enthralling!
"You have been blocked by (someone) for 24 hours. Reason: excessive game playing. Make some edits to articles, damnit!"
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Alphax wrote:
Skyring wrote:
As for the games, if they aren't consuming significant resources and they reduce stress, then keep them by all means. Just find some way to stop them clogging up RC. And make sure that people don't come here just to play games. There are a zillion game sites on the net - let's not make WP games TOO enthralling!
"You have been blocked by (someone) for 24 hours. Reason: excessive game playing. Make some edits to articles, damnit!"
I find this issue endlessly amusing. What could be a better and more legitimate way of expressing a POV than a chess move? And what could be a better evaluation of that POV than a lost game?
Ec
Oskar Sigvardsson wrote:
The chess championship is a way for users to interact in a way that is not related to disputes.
It seems somewhat counterproductive in this regard as its very presence has led to considerable disputes. Perhaps there are less contentious ways of promoting unity?