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Robert

6 Jul 2004 6 Jul '04

10:36 p.m.

I tried to edit an article on Wikipedia today, but I found that my IP had been blocked due to the actions of an anonymous user:

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The reason given is this: 24-hour block for blanking user page of user who submitted page to VfD, and then repeating this behavior from multiple IP addresses You can email The Anome

</wiki/Special:Emailuser/The_Anome>

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or one of the other administrators to discuss the block.

Ok. Someone was bad, and they got blocked. Here's the problem. The Anome aparently has no e-mail address set up! When I go to The Anome's User page to e-mail him, I get this response:

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"This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users"

Kind of ironic, since the message says that e-mail should be sent to him! :)

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If you believe that our blocking policy was violated, you may discuss the block publicly on the WikiEN-L mailing list

I don't have a problem with the blocking of this IP; if that kind of problem appeared, then a 24 block is fine. The policy is good; The problem is that some other contributors (like me) can't edit, and we can't e-mail the Anome as we are told to. So this is a situation that someone should know about. (And many people in my city use my ISP, so many people are potentially blocked.)

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Your IP address is 209.247.222.84. Please include this address in any queries you make.

Done. Any suggestions? Could we come up with a way of people with known Wikipedia accounts getting around such blocks? Or is such a solution already extant? Thanks for your time, Robert (RK) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Angela

6 Jul 6 Jul

10:50 p.m.

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:36:33 -0700 (PDT), Robert <rkscience100(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

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I tried to edit an article on Wikipedia today, but I found that my IP had been blocked due to the actions of an anonymous user...

I've unblocked this now. Please can other admins keep an eye on the 209.247.222.0/24 range to see if it needs reblocking.

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The problem is that some other contributors (like me) can't edit, and we can't e-mail the Anome as we are told to. So this is a situation that someone should know about. (And many people in my city use my ISP, so many people are potentially blocked.)

I proposed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy#Email_proposal that all sysops should have a valid email address, though I'm not sure now whether that was a worthwhile proposal.

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Could we come up with a way of people with known Wikipedia accounts getting around such blocks? Or is such a solution already extant?

Currently, the only solution is to email this list. Angela.

Keith Maxwell

11:57 p.m.

Folks, I have the same problem. I have tried editing over the past week and have been told IP address 203.166.76.237 or similar has been banned for repeated vandalism by 21804 -whoever that is. As it wasn't due to my edits - presumably as I have never been warned for vandalism for edits. Theresa Knott has done some investigation on my behalf and has found that this IP address has been blocked for six months. This is rather a long time. I was wondering whether bans could be put in place for shorter periods to stop people who make positive contributions enduring lengthy bans together with the vandals. Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:36:33 -0700 (PDT), Robert wrote:

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I tried to edit an article on Wikipedia today, but I found that my IP had been blocked due to the actions of an anonymous user...

I've unblocked this now. Please can other admins keep an eye on the 209.247.222.0/24 range to see if it needs reblocking.

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Could we come up with a way of people with known Wikipedia accounts getting around such blocks? Or is such a solution already extant?

Currently, the only solution is to email this list. Angela. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Angela

7 Jul 7 Jul

12:40 a.m.

Keith Maxwell wrote:

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I have tried editing over the past week and have been told IP address 203.166.76.237 or similar has been banned for repeated vandalism ... for six months.

The whole range 203.166.96.232/29 was blocked. A history of the vandalism can be seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:203.166.96.239 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:203.166.96.236 which shows this user, or users, were warned a number of times. However, I feel strongly that six months is too long for a range block, particularly one which is affecting other users. I have unblocked this now. Angela.

David Gerard

12:19 a.m.

On 07/06/04 22:50, Angela wrote:

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argh. I switched mine off to cut the crank mail down. (My address is really easy to find, but I got nothing through the Wikipedia 'send an email' setup that didn't belong on a talk page.) I have switched it on again, though the other factor is accidentally deleting stuff that isn't obviously not spam ... - d.

Rick

6:56 p.m.

Anthere

7:24 p.m.

Perhaps you should stop blocking people then ? Rick wrote:

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I used to have my email address available, but I got so much abusive email I changed my preferences. RickK Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote: I proposed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy#Email_proposal that all sysops should have a valid email address, though I'm not sure now whether that was a worthwhile proposal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/100/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/efficiency.html> - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Rick

8 Jul 8 Jul

6:04 p.m.

Perhaps you should take a course in Wiki etiquette. Congratulations. You just made my list of people whose emails are blocked due to obnoxiousness. RickK Anthere <anthere9(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Perhaps you should stop blocking people then ? Rick wrote:

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I used to have my email address available, but I got so much abusive email I changed my preferences. RickK Angela wrote: I proposed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy#Email_proposal that all sysops should have a valid email address, though I'm not sure now whether that was a worthwhile proposal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Anthere

7:52 p.m.

Low threshold indeed... Rick wrote:

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I used to have my email address available, but I got so much abusive email I changed my preferences. RickK Angela wrote: I proposed at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy#Email_proposal

that all sysops should have a valid email address, though I'm not

sure

now whether that was a worthwhile proposal.

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Fennec Foxen

7:52 p.m.

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:52:11 +0200, Anthere <anthere9(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

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Low threshold indeed... Rick wrote: > Perhaps you should take a course in Wiki etiquette. Congratulations. > You just made my list of people whose emails are blocked due to > obnoxiousness.

Rick

9 Jul 9 Jul

4:15 a.m.

And perhaps you should mind your own business. RickK Fennec Foxen <fennec(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:52:11 +0200, Anthere wrote:

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Low threshold indeed... Rick wrote: > Perhaps you should take a course in Wiki etiquette. Congratulations. > You just made my list of people whose emails are blocked due to > obnoxiousness.

Perhaps you shall next block Jimbo's emails as well? For efficiency, I would reccomend that you simply unsubscribe from the mailing list, and send mail to a dummy address. It will be more effective in the long run. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Mark Richards

7 Jul 7 Jul

7:25 p.m.

New subject: Abusive email

Not that I approve of it. but I think the amount of abusive email one gets can be a useful bellweather of the level of approval of actions. Mark --- Rick <giantsrick13(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

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I used to have my email address available, but I got so much abusive email I changed my preferences. RickK Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote: I proposed at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy#Email_proposal

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Fennec Foxen

8 Jul 8 Jul

2:15 a.m.

New subject: Abusive email

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:25:51 -0700 (PDT), Mark Richards <marich712000(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

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Not that I approve of it. but I think the amount of abusive email one gets can be a useful bellweather of the level of approval of actions. Mark

Hey, some of that abusive email is fun! Like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vernon_John_De_Duckmanton ... :)

Rick

6:05 p.m.

New subject: Abusive email

This from Mister "I love trolls." RickK Mark Richards <marich712000(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Not that I approve of it. but I think the amount of abusive email one gets can be a useful bellweather of the level of approval of actions. Mark --- Rick wrote:

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I used to have my email address available, but I got so much abusive email I changed my preferences. RickK Angela wrote: I proposed at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy#Email_proposal

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Mark Richards

7:53 p.m.

New subject: Abusive email

Well, I didn't appreciate your trolling on my talk page, if that's what you are refering to, in general though, I do love the ability of talk and user pages to represent a diverse range of views. If you want to call that trolling, then fine, but it's not a very useful definition. Mark --- Rick <giantsrick13(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

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I used to have my email address available, but I

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so much abusive email I changed my preferences. RickK Angela wrote: I proposed at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy#Email_proposal

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