--- Arno M redgum46@lycos.com wrote:
The bowdlerising project does ssem to have died a quiet death , all right.
Examples of pages with links to porn/adult sites in them (all found in 20 seconds):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Jameson, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_James and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Carey.
I fail to see any constructive purpose to them, and and any school that can reasonably be described as decent or respnsible is (not) going to love them.
Great. The slippery slope has become an avalanche. Now it's not good enough to delete images which SOME people believe are obscene, now you want to delete links from articles ABOUT porn actresses to links ABOUT them? This is far, far, far, beyond the pale.
RickK
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I looked at one, the Mary Carey site. It is a commercial web site for sale of her wares, such as they are. I think she can buy advertising for that purpose and ought not to depend on an encyclopedia article. She is a notable figure, but links might be more appropriately to reports of her notable political activities such as running for governor of California rather than to her store. It's easy enough to google for it anyway.
Fred
From: Rick giantsrick13@yahoo.com Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:06:06 -0700 (PDT) To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Links to porn sites
--- Arno M redgum46@lycos.com wrote:
The bowdlerising project does ssem to have died a quiet death , all right.
Examples of pages with links to porn/adult sites in them (all found in 20 seconds):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Jameson, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_James and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Carey.
I fail to see any constructive purpose to them, and and any school that can reasonably be described as decent or respnsible is (not) going to love them.
Great. The slippery slope has become an avalanche. Now it's not good enough to delete images which SOME people believe are obscene, now you want to delete links from articles ABOUT porn actresses to links ABOUT them? This is far, far, far, beyond the pale.
RickK
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Fred Bauder (fredbaud@ctelco.net) [050419 02:18]:
I looked at one, the Mary Carey site. It is a commercial web site for sale of her wares, such as they are. I think she can buy advertising for that purpose and ought not to depend on an encyclopedia article. She is a notable figure, but links might be more appropriately to reports of her notable political activities such as running for governor of California rather than to her store. It's easy enough to google for it anyway.
Why remove this commercial page in particular, rather than any other company page on Wikipedia? That is, this doesn't seem to be the criterion commercial links are added or removed on for other articles, so this seems a novel policy.
- d.
David Gerard said:
Why remove this commercial page in particular, rather than any other company page on Wikipedia? That is, this doesn't seem to be the criterion commercial links are added or removed on for other articles, so this seems a novel policy.
That's what I thought last time someone suggested some removals from another sexual subject. Different criteria may be applied to sexual sites (I'm open to the possibility, though it seems far-fetched if the site is otherwise encyclopedic) but if we do adopt a "no commercial links" approach to sexual topics we should not pretend that they're the same criteria that would be applied to, say, sports.
It is the Prurient content....
Fred
From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 02:23:37 +1000 To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Links to porn sites
Fred Bauder (fredbaud@ctelco.net) [050419 02:18]:
I looked at one, the Mary Carey site. It is a commercial web site for sale of her wares, such as they are. I think she can buy advertising for that purpose and ought not to depend on an encyclopedia article. She is a notable figure, but links might be more appropriately to reports of her notable political activities such as running for governor of California rather than to her store. It's easy enough to google for it anyway.
Why remove this commercial page in particular, rather than any other company page on Wikipedia? That is, this doesn't seem to be the criterion commercial links are added or removed on for other articles, so this seems a novel policy.
- d.
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Fred Bauder (fredbaud@ctelco.net) [050419 02:35]:
From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au
Why remove this commercial page in particular, rather than any other company page on Wikipedia? That is, this doesn't seem to be the criterion commercial links are added or removed on for other articles, so this seems a novel policy.
It is the Prurient content....
It's her *official home page*. Removing it would be ridiculous.
- d.
Fred Bauder said:
It is the Prurient content....
Um, Fred...she's a porn star. Why do think anybody would write an article about a porn star? People will come to that article wanting to know about her, and they'll probably have a lot of prurient interest in her. Yes, they'll want to see her getting rammed, eating pussy, or whatever else it is that makes her famous enough to get into Wikipedia.
On 4/18/05, Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net wrote:
I looked at one, the Mary Carey site. It is a commercial web site for sale of her wares, such as they are. I think she can buy advertising for that purpose and ought not to depend on an encyclopedia article. She is a notable figure, but links might be more appropriately to reports of her notable political activities such as running for governor of California rather than to her store. It's easy enough to google for it anyway.
If the store is explicitly hers, and thus has special significance, I see no reason not to link it. However, if it's just A store that sells her merchandise, then it should not be listed. Just like we may link to Ford's web site in an article about a Ford car, but not to a specific dealership.
If, however, the store is just part of a more general official fan site, then linking to the main page of that fan site might be more appropriate - just like the fan site for any other actress.
-Matt