-----Original Message----- From: joshua.zelinsky@yale.edu [mailto:joshua.zelinsky@yale.edu]

The real issue in many ways was that AMA members had divided loyalty, some to their clients and some to the project. An AMA member couldn't say something like "After talking to my client, I'm now convinced that my client will not understand NPOV and even if my client did understand he would ignore it". Furthermore, no form of plea bargain works well at that point. The people who go in front of the ArbCom who got AMA members were often people who would have had little or no interest in anything other than being in charge or at least have their POV in charge. No amount of AMA representation would have changed that.

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You got to take them out in the woodshed and "talk" to them.

Fred