--- On Mon 11/10, Poor, Edmund W < Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com > wrote:
As the administrator of this mailing list, I would like to ask "Libertarian" to cool down his rhetoric.
Ed, I appreciate your concern and in fact agree with you. However, what about asking those who use slurs like "Hindu Nationalist" and "fascist" to describe Hindus and Indians to desist from doing so? India is a democracy and it is so only because India is Hindu majority. That portion which was made Muslim majority during partition has become an Islamic theocracy and ethnically cleansed its minorities. Let us not pretend that India is a similar country.
This is a cruel joke. Someone sitting in an Indian Government run University has the full freedom to post all over the net that India is not a democracy but a state run like Benito Mussolini and if his posts were true, shouldn't the Govt have come down on him?
To give you a perspective, "Hindu Nationalist" is similar to the slur "White Supremacist" or "White Nationalist" used in the context of Republican Party. Recently, Washington Post had an article on India contributing troops to Iraq and unusually, not once did it use the slur "Hindu Nationalist" when it wanted cannon fodder from India to save the fair skinned Caucasians. It used the term "right of center" which is acceptable. Indians all over noticed and this point was made on several bulletin boards and mailing lists.
Why don't you ask those who have gone about posting nonsense using the word "fascist" to desist from doing so?
I also suggest that you unlock the 2002_Gujarat_violence page or lock it temporarily in the neutral state, without any information from MArxist sources. Of all the reports, why should the Marxist viewpoint be favored? It beats me.
Comments like these have no place here:
- You are clearly lying by pretending that you do not know...
- You are probably a White skinned American who is brainwashed into
believing ...
Agreed, but who do you think started it? I was accused of being a "Hindu nationalist" and that is why I hit back. Why don't you ban that slur? Since "Hindu nationalist" is similar to "White Supremacist" applied in the context of Republicans, either both are legitimate or both are illegitimate.
Instead of making personal remarks abourt list members, why not focus on writing some incisive, hard-hitting articles about India's political situation?
I did that. The gang of Marxists keeps deleting the stuff I post. In one post, one of them even questioned a post I made on Mount Everest. I added the fact about the person who discovered it. I was immediately questioned because in their perverted worldview, no indian should deserve credit.
They've hunted down EVERY ONE of my posts as a gang and indulged in propaganda of the Marxists. They even deleted a couple of points which went against them.
1) A Muslim, Abdul Kalam was the nominee of the "Hindu Nationalist" and "fascist" party. I added this point and it was promptly deleted and replaced with a line "However the BJP is considered by many to be a Hindu-fundamentalist or even a Hindu-fascist party."
Amazing how you put up with this! If its candidate was a Muslim (he won the election and is now the President of India), it tells you something, doesn't it? Doesn't it tell you something when India's Defence Minister is a Christian? Doesn't it tell you something about India when the ruling coalition's two other possible contenders were a Jew and a Kashmiri Muslim?
2) The second example is when I pointed out that a judge who headed the self-appointed commission of inquiry was a Marxist. It was deleted repeatedly even though he had served as a Minister in a Communist Government and was their Presidential candidate.
3) Everything positive about India/Hindus is obfuscated using words like "alleged". Anything possibly negative even when there is no proof is made as an assertion.
Why do you think I came here? I thought I'd see some fairness, but obviously I have a tough time because of the prevailing mindset of Americans who have internal logic regarding Communists but when it comes to other countries, they just support the loudest person who usually happen to be Communist.
I would love to hear more about the following points:
- destruction of Hindu temples (by Muslims)
Sure, but I was sure that the gang comprising of Wik, Jiang, Arvindn, Boud and VerilyVerily (also posts as VV) will continue harassing me. That is why I came here first. For example, if you look at the posts of Boud, you will see that he has gone about posting anti-India stuff all over the place. In one place, one of them has described some organizations as "been seen by some people as an informal police force." This is PURE FANTASY and made up by the member who made the contribution. Not even the Marxists had the ingenuity to come up with that description. Notice the part which says "been seen by some people." In other words, he knows it is fiction but used the old tactic used by dishonest journalists.
- descruction of Muslim mosques (by Hindus)
Er, apart from destroying a disused structure built after destroying a temple, this is not the norm. Maybe, political correct people would like to equate the two, but Hindus are peaceful people and their religious ideas preach peace and accept all Gods and it is a religion which says, "All paths lead to the same goal." It doesn't say, "Kill the unbelievers and idolators" or "I am the only God..."
Therein lies the difference. A "fundamentalist Hindu" becomes withdrawn from the world and becomes more peaceful and unattached to material things unlike fundamentalists of certain religions who become more violent.
In short, all religions are NOT EQUAL. Some are more peaceful in nature. India had a multitude of religions but had peace until Islam came in (of course, Marxists hunted down two episodes in history where Hindus destroyed Buddhist centres but what they don't tell you is that these two Hindus were under the pay of a Muslim King.). Why deny a fact? Isn't an encyclopedia supposed to highlight facts and even where interpretations are involved, aren't they supposed to be based in facts?
- political affiliations of newspaper editors (especially Marxists)
I shall do all that, but right now I feel harassed with this gang going after me systematically.
- India's economic system (socialism, free market, whatever)
Definitely. It is my field.
- status of women
Just from skimming your letters from 3 days ago, I can tell that<br>Libertarian has a lot of information -- and possibly a lot of passion! -- about these topics. Libertarian, I hope you will channel your energy into helping us build a set of highly informative articles on India.<br><br>Welcome to the project. Ed Poor
Ed, Why do you think I brought all this to the attention of the list? I was hoping for some fairness. Can we have some totally neutral people look into the behavior of the Marxists who are misusing a tool provided for spreading information? I am not even saying I want my view forced upon others. I am so confident that my points are the correct ones that I am asking for an independent investigation to determine who is correct. I am willing to supply information and let the Marxists do so too.
-libertarian
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