In a project as obsessed with the fictional as Wikipedia, The Game (game) is, I guess, an archetype: a fictional construct which one "loses" by even acknowledging its existence. After much agonising it was finally deleted recently. It had survived one AfD because "I've heard of it" trumped WP:V, it appears to have been BJAODNed once or twice, but finally the total lack of any sources whatsoever led to its deletion. And a DRV debate (obviously). And the setting up of an external website, http://www.savethegame.org dedicated to finding some sources for it. Wahey! We now have a source. Reportedly. I say reportedly because I don't have a subscription to De Morgen, and I can't read Dutch anyway. So have the trolls won? Or has Wikipedia won? I personally think this is yet another example of WP:V being swept aside under an avalanche of Google hits, a problem in several areas at present where all the POV pushers have to do is spam as many blogs and web boards as they can find and suddenly an article must be verifiable (it's just that the reliable source is a long way down the list, honest). A supposed meme which inspires such fierce passions and which has had its fans searching the world at the urging of a website, but which can only come up with a single mention in a foreign-language newspaper, does not sound to me like the kind of thing for an encyclopaedia. More something for a Wikicities project. but then, I am older than your average Wikipedian, and I've seen my kids obsessed by, and lose interest in, many things along the way. Whether Warhammer is "better" than Pokemon I wouldn't like to say... Guy (JzG) -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG