Looks like the self-described "small giant" (Grawp) was doing his thing this morning:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/V2score
Time in a jail cell should be the ultimate Christmas/Hanukkah present for Grawp.
William King (Willking1979) --------------------------------------------------
From: "William King" williamcarlking@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:14 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp
I strongly agree. Something must be done very soon. I noticed just in the past hour or so on RC patrol, Grawp harassed a few more users.
William King (Willking1979)
From: "Durova" nadezhda.durova@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:24 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp
There would be no shortage of people to sign a petition to the ISP, if you want to go that route. This has gone on long enough.
-Durova
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Ian Woollard <ian.woollard@gmail.com
wrote:
2008/12/11 Fran Rogers fran@nutmeg.ws:
Personally, I'm utterly bamboozled. This kid is nineteen years old and
in
college; he's an adult, and he has his entire life ahead of him. Yet he still continues to anonymously threaten and harass people on the
Internet,
even though he's clearly stepped into illegal territory, his identity
is
known along with reams of evidence of his misdeeds connecting them to
him,
and his parent upon whom he's still dependent has been alerted. And he
still
soldiers on, using Mom's broadband to move pages on Wikipedia to titles
"I
will rape and murder (insert admin here)." What could possibly be
running
through his mind? And how can he be stopped?
If he's making threats of violence and stalking then you should contact his local police. They'll probably at least discuss it with him and he'll either stop or eventually criminal proceedings will occur. Doesn't sound like there's any other option.
Forensic analysis of his computer could doubtless prove it was him doing this, not his mother who shares the same IP.
You could also contact his ISP. It puts them in a bad light to have someone like that on their networks and nearly always violates T&C- they might well want to terminate his service. But he'll probably just get another ISP; but depending on where he lives there might not be many ISPs in his area.
Perhaps the Foundation could send a cease-and-desist letter to both her and him, cc the ISP?
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verizon.net is listed at http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/ for having no operational postmaster@, which is strange, because usually a non-functional abuse@ comes first (security@ is not operational, either, apparently, no replies, not even auto). Assuming that I can believe ALL of the edit summaries...Maybe Grawp can get a public mischief rap. I'll check Virginia's law book.
Verizon's phone number is a one-way message saying very little other than introducing you to security@ for things other than spam, so that leaves their snail mail address and blocking their whole netblock. Hopefully, their own users will complain to someone who answers at verizon. Can't make that much noise, myself...just hope that either Durova or Carcharoth is reading me.
Don't hold your breath for getting this done in formalities before Ukrainian Orthodox Christmas. Blocking the netblock can be done in short order, physically, and there might be rules against it. Verizon has over 65536 addresses, though, so I don't think blocking one number at a time is a sensible use of human time. Some judges lean towards Anne Landers when she said "No one can abuse you without your permission.".
----- Original Message ----- From: "William King" williamcarlking@gmail.com To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp
Looks like the self-described "small giant" (Grawp) was doing his thing this morning:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/V2score
Time in a jail cell should be the ultimate Christmas/Hanukkah present for Grawp.
William King (Willking1979)
From: "William King" williamcarlking@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:14 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp
I strongly agree. Something must be done very soon. I noticed just in the past hour or so on RC patrol, Grawp harassed a few more users.
William King (Willking1979)
From: "Durova" nadezhda.durova@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:24 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp
There would be no shortage of people to sign a petition to the ISP, if you want to go that route. This has gone on long enough.
-Durova
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Ian Woollard <ian.woollard@gmail.com
wrote:
2008/12/11 Fran Rogers fran@nutmeg.ws: > Personally, I'm utterly bamboozled. This kid is nineteen years old > and
in
> college; he's an adult, and he has his entire life ahead of him. > Yet he > still continues to anonymously threaten and harass people on the Internet, > even though he's clearly stepped into illegal territory, his > identity
is
> known along with reams of evidence of his misdeeds connecting them > to him, > and his parent upon whom he's still dependent has been alerted. > And > he still > soldiers on, using Mom's broadband to move pages on Wikipedia to > titles "I > will rape and murder (insert admin here)." What could possibly be
running
> through his mind? And how can he be stopped?
If he's making threats of violence and stalking then you should contact his local police. They'll probably at least discuss it with him and he'll either stop or eventually criminal proceedings will occur. Doesn't sound like there's any other option.
Forensic analysis of his computer could doubtless prove it was him doing this, not his mother who shares the same IP.
You could also contact his ISP. It puts them in a bad light to have someone like that on their networks and nearly always violates T&C- they might well want to terminate his service. But he'll probably just get another ISP; but depending on where he lives there might not be many ISPs in his area.
Perhaps the Foundation could send a cease-and-desist letter to both her and him, cc the ISP?
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http://law.justia.com/virginia/codes/toc1001000/10.1-1004.html
All I get out of Virginia State law, ATM, concerns archaeology. Maybe I should keep digging, and for some reason, what I hav found so far is not promising that verizon's stated restrictions on spamming are not more exact and *potentially* effective. Someone said that a law without enforcement is not a law (of course, not, it is a bill), and I do not see any promises from Verizon/Bellsouth.
----- Original Message ----- From: "William King" williamcarlking@gmail.com To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp
Looks like the self-described "small giant" (Grawp) was doing his thing this morning:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/V2score
Time in a jail cell should be the ultimate Christmas/Hanukkah present for Grawp.
William King (Willking1979)
From: "William King" williamcarlking@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:14 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp
I strongly agree. Something must be done very soon. I noticed just in the past hour or so on RC patrol, Grawp harassed a few more users.
William King (Willking1979)
From: "Durova" nadezhda.durova@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:24 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp
There would be no shortage of people to sign a petition to the ISP, if you want to go that route. This has gone on long enough.
-Durova
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Ian Woollard <ian.woollard@gmail.com
wrote:
2008/12/11 Fran Rogers fran@nutmeg.ws: > Personally, I'm utterly bamboozled. This kid is nineteen years old > and
in
> college; he's an adult, and he has his entire life ahead of him. > Yet he > still continues to anonymously threaten and harass people on the Internet, > even though he's clearly stepped into illegal territory, his > identity
is
> known along with reams of evidence of his misdeeds connecting them > to him, > and his parent upon whom he's still dependent has been alerted. > And > he still > soldiers on, using Mom's broadband to move pages on Wikipedia to > titles "I > will rape and murder (insert admin here)." What could possibly be
running
> through his mind? And how can he be stopped?
If he's making threats of violence and stalking then you should contact his local police. They'll probably at least discuss it with him and he'll either stop or eventually criminal proceedings will occur. Doesn't sound like there's any other option.
Forensic analysis of his computer could doubtless prove it was him doing this, not his mother who shares the same IP.
You could also contact his ISP. It puts them in a bad light to have someone like that on their networks and nearly always violates T&C- they might well want to terminate his service. But he'll probably just get another ISP; but depending on where he lives there might not be many ISPs in his area.
Perhaps the Foundation could send a cease-and-desist letter to both her and him, cc the ISP?
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Okay...I found something, and maybe I should be looking at federal law, because I do not see it happening reliably. It opens doors to being very slow. I wish that a brick wall that seems to be verizon boded well for their taking action on snail mail.
§ 48-1. Investigation of complaint by special grand jury.
When complaint is made to the circuit court of any county, or the corporation court of any city of this Commonwealth, by five or more citizens of any county, city or town, setting forth the existence of a public or common nuisance, the court, or the judge thereof in vacation, shall summon a special grand jury, in the mode provided by law, to the next term of such court, to specially investigate such complaint.
(Code 1919, § 1520.)
----- Original Message ----- From: "William King" williamcarlking@gmail.com To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp
Looks like the self-described "small giant" (Grawp) was doing his thing this morning:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/V2score
Time in a jail cell should be the ultimate Christmas/Hanukkah present for Grawp.
William King (Willking1979)
From: "William King" williamcarlking@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:14 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp
I strongly agree. Something must be done very soon. I noticed just in the past hour or so on RC patrol, Grawp harassed a few more users.
William King (Willking1979)
From: "Durova" nadezhda.durova@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:24 PM To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp
There would be no shortage of people to sign a petition to the ISP, if you want to go that route. This has gone on long enough.
-Durova
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Ian Woollard <ian.woollard@gmail.com
wrote:
2008/12/11 Fran Rogers fran@nutmeg.ws: > Personally, I'm utterly bamboozled. This kid is nineteen years old > and
in
> college; he's an adult, and he has his entire life ahead of him. > Yet he > still continues to anonymously threaten and harass people on the Internet, > even though he's clearly stepped into illegal territory, his > identity
is
> known along with reams of evidence of his misdeeds connecting them > to him, > and his parent upon whom he's still dependent has been alerted. > And > he still > soldiers on, using Mom's broadband to move pages on Wikipedia to > titles "I > will rape and murder (insert admin here)." What could possibly be
running
> through his mind? And how can he be stopped?
If he's making threats of violence and stalking then you should contact his local police. They'll probably at least discuss it with him and he'll either stop or eventually criminal proceedings will occur. Doesn't sound like there's any other option.
Forensic analysis of his computer could doubtless prove it was him doing this, not his mother who shares the same IP.
You could also contact his ISP. It puts them in a bad light to have someone like that on their networks and nearly always violates T&C- they might well want to terminate his service. But he'll probably just get another ISP; but depending on where he lives there might not be many ISPs in his area.
Perhaps the Foundation could send a cease-and-desist letter to both her and him, cc the ISP?
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:)
FT2
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Jay Litwyn brewhaha@edmc.net wrote:
Okay...I found something, and maybe I should be looking at federal law, because I do not see it happening reliably. It opens doors to being very slow. I wish that a brick wall that seems to be verizon boded well for their taking action on snail mail.
§ 48-1. Investigation of complaint by special grand jury.
When complaint is made to the circuit court of any county, or the corporation court of any city of this Commonwealth, by five or more citizens of any county, city or town, setting forth the existence of a public or common nuisance, the court, or the judge thereof in vacation, shall summon a special grand jury, in the mode provided by law, to the next term of such court, to specially investigate such complaint.
(Code 1919, § 1520.)
I don't think it'll be hard to get 5 people...
X!
On Dec 24, 2008, at 6:01 AM [Dec 24, 2008 ], FT2 wrote:
:)
FT2
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Jay Litwyn brewhaha@edmc.net wrote:
Okay...I found something, and maybe I should be looking at federal law, because I do not see it happening reliably. It opens doors to being very slow. I wish that a brick wall that seems to be verizon boded well for their taking action on snail mail.
§ 48-1. Investigation of complaint by special grand jury.
When complaint is made to the circuit court of any county, or the corporation court of any city of this Commonwealth, by five or more citizens of any county, city or town, setting forth the existence of a public or common nuisance, the court, or the judge thereof in vacation, shall summon a special grand jury, in the mode provided by law, to the next term of such court, to specially investigate such complaint.
(Code 1919, § 1520.)
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Notice that it doesn't say "country". It says "county". That means all five plaintiffs must be from Virginia. The phrase "Special Grand Jury" sounds hard to my ears, too. I would love to say that laws back up our editorial policy, and in this case, his phone number or sock puppets that have not yet been officially confirmed, but are about to be and are in operation, are about the best channels, ATM.
His activity does violate TOS or AUP, and I do not see Verizon enforcing it anytime soon. Anybody else try to raise interest from security@verizon.net?
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I don't think it'll be hard to get 5 people...
X!
On Dec 24, 2008, at 6:01 AM [Dec 24, 2008 ], FT2 wrote:
:)
FT2
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Jay Litwyn brewhaha@edmc.net wrote:
Okay...I found something, and maybe I should be looking at federal law, because I do not see it happening reliably. It opens doors to being very slow. I wish that a brick wall that seems to be verizon boded well for their taking action on snail mail.
§ 48-1. Investigation of complaint by special grand jury.
When complaint is made to the circuit court of any county, or the corporation court of any city of this Commonwealth, by five or more citizens of any county, city or town, setting forth the existence of a public or common nuisance, the court, or the judge thereof in vacation, shall summon a special grand jury, in the mode provided by law, to the next term of such court, to specially investigate such complaint.
(Code 1919, § 1520.)
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I am not a lawyer so perhaps I say this in ignorance, however, I find it hard to believe that the best way of handling this is by arguing that Jeremy Hanson poses a "public or common nuisance" to the people of Virginia and that we should ask local a judge to "summon a special grand jury" to investigate the complaint. It seems to me the victims of his death, rape and violence threats and harassment, who are global, not merely located in Virgina, should simply start reporting each instance to local law enforcement and that the Foundation should support this by providing relevant data and also either pursue a complaint through his ISP or support administrators doing so. I think a visit from the police/FBI is more likely to get through to him and his family than this Special Grand Jury stuff.
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Jay Litwyn brewhaha@edmc.net wrote:
Notice that it doesn't say "country". It says "county". That means all five plaintiffs must be from Virginia. The phrase "Special Grand Jury" sounds hard to my ears, too. I would love to say that laws back up our editorial policy, and in this case, his phone number or sock puppets that have not yet been officially confirmed, but are about to be and are in operation, are about the best channels, ATM.
His activity does violate TOS or AUP, and I do not see Verizon enforcing it anytime soon. Anybody else try to raise interest from security@verizon.net ?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Soxred93" soxred93@gmail.com To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp
I don't think it'll be hard to get 5 people...
X!
On Dec 24, 2008, at 6:01 AM [Dec 24, 2008 ], FT2 wrote:
:)
FT2
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Jay Litwyn brewhaha@edmc.net wrote:
Okay...I found something, and maybe I should be looking at federal law, because I do not see it happening reliably. It opens doors to being very slow. I wish that a brick wall that seems to be verizon boded well for their taking action on snail mail.
§ 48-1. Investigation of complaint by special grand jury.
When complaint is made to the circuit court of any county, or the corporation court of any city of this Commonwealth, by five or more citizens of any county, city or town, setting forth the existence of a public or common nuisance, the court, or the judge thereof in vacation, shall summon a special grand jury, in the mode provided by law, to the next term of such court, to specially investigate such complaint.
(Code 1919, § 1520.)
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On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahewart@gmail.com wrote:
I am not a lawyer so perhaps I say this in ignorance, however, I find it hard to believe that the best way of handling this is by arguing that Jeremy Hanson poses a "public or common nuisance" to the people of Virginia and that we should ask local a judge to "summon a special grand jury" to investigate the complaint. It seems to me the victims of his death, rape and violence threats and harassment, who are global, not merely located in Virgina, should simply start reporting each instance to local law enforcement and that the Foundation should support this by providing relevant data and also either pursue a complaint through his ISP or support administrators doing so. I think a visit from the police/FBI is more likely to get through to him and his family than this Special Grand Jury stuff.
I agree. It may very well be a federal offense to use the Internet to make threats of death and violence. It is definetly against state laws. The recipients of the threats should be advised to file complaints with law enforcement. The Foundation should back up the complaints not only with data for the evidence but also with listing of other complaints in other jurisdictions already filed.
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