I think no one should be short banned without a clear process and global agreement upon using this sort of action. Currently, we do not know who could decide of such an action, and we do not have any arguments laid down. Plus we confuse "short ban" as a mean to cool down the editor, "short ban" as a mean to give a break to the group, and "short ban" as a way to get around due process.
Or "short ban" as a mean to publicly and wikipedia-globally humiliate someone and declare that person to be "wrong"? Short bans are a bad idea.
BL
Before a "short ban" would be considered the editor would have lost an arbitration dispute. How about some creative alternatives to bans as results? For example, an editor may only be having trouble in certain areas, for example, Fred Bauder, should he lose an arbitration might be forbidden from editing any philosophy articles....
Fred
From: Bjorn Lindqvist bjrn.lindqvist@telia.com Reply-To: bjrn.lindqvist@telia.com, English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:03:01 +0100 To: wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Banning for a day, hi to Cunc
I think no one should be short banned without a clear process and global agreement upon using this sort of action. Currently, we do not know who could decide of such an action, and we do not have any arguments laid down. Plus we confuse "short ban" as a mean to cool down the editor, "short ban" as a mean to give a break to the group, and "short ban" as a way to get around due process.
Or "short ban" as a means to publicly and wikipedia-globally humiliate someone and declare that person to be "wrong"? Short bans are a bad idea.
BL _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Fred Bauder wrote:
Before a "short ban" would be considered the editor would have lost an arbitration dispute. How about some creative alternatives to bans as results? For example, an editor may only be having trouble in certain areas, for example, Fred Bauder, should he lose an arbitration might be forbidden from editing any philosophy articles....
Fred
Sounds good but how would you enforce that? For most people that would work, but many trolls would just ignore it without something like a threat of banning.
LDan
__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/
The arbitration committee might retain jurisdiction, or at least be able to reopen the matter in case. They could then impose a hard long ban if really necessary.
Fred
From: Daniel Ehrenberg littledanehren@yahoo.com Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:26:39 -0800 (PST) To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Creative Alternatives to Bans
Fred Bauder wrote:
Before a "short ban" would be considered the editor would have lost an arbitration dispute. How about some creative alternatives to bans as results? For example, an editor may only be having trouble in certain areas, for example, Fred Bauder, should he lose an arbitration might be forbidden from editing any philosophy articles....
Fred
Sounds good but how would you enforce that? For most people that would work, but many trolls would just ignore it without something like a threat of banning.
LDan
Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Bjorn Lindqvist a écrit:
I think no one should be short banned without a clear process and global agreement upon using this sort of action. Currently, we do not know who could decide of such an action, and we do not have any arguments laid down. Plus we confuse "short ban" as a mean to cool down the editor, "short ban" as a mean to give a break to the group, and "short ban" as a way to get around due process.
Or "short ban" as a mean to publicly and wikipedia-globally humiliate someone and declare that person to be "wrong"? Short bans are a bad idea.
BL
just a more pc term : short block rather than short ban