Eileen wrote (in part)
Both these terms, and the misstatement of the time the procedure is performed, lead me to believe the article was mainly written by somebody opposed to abortion who was more interested in getting a subtle message out than actually providing honest information.
Thank you for spotting this error. I hope to make all Wikipedia articles on abortion "neutral", in the sense of NOT getting out subtle messages promoting or opposing any point of view.
Since I myself have no position whatsoever on abortion, I might be able to work with you on these articles.
I'd like to see some clarification on: * just what happens (medically speaking) during various types of abortion * what the law is (or soon will be) on 'partial-birth abortion' ** and what the Wikipedia should call this procedure * the precise philosophical, ethical, moral, religious, etc. reasons why people take the positions they do regarding abortion (pro-choice, pro-life, etc.)
That's a whole lot, so just pick the part you're interested in...
Ed Poor Advocate of NPOV
From: Poor, Edmund W
Both these terms, and the misstatement of the time the procedure is performed, lead me to believe the article was mainly written by somebody opposed to abortion who was more interested in getting a subtle message out than actually providing honest information.
Thank you for spotting this error. I hope to make all Wikipedia
articles
on abortion "neutral", in the sense of NOT getting out subtle messages promoting or opposing any point of view.
Since I myself have no position whatsoever on abortion, I might be
able
to work with you on these articles.
I'd like to see some clarification on:
- just what happens (medically speaking) during various types of
abortion
- what the law is (or soon will be) on 'partial-birth abortion'
There can't be a law on 'partial-birth abortion' because it doesn't really exist except as a political construct.
That's one of the points Eileen has been trying to make.
The Cunctator wrote:
There can't be a law on 'partial-birth abortion' because it doesn't really exist except as a political construct.
That's one of the points Eileen has been trying to make.
Given that a law entitled Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act has been passed the US Congress recently, there's clearly some segment of the US population (a majority even) who think that such a thing does exist. It may not be precisely defined, but neither is "hate crime", and that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have an article on [[hate crime]]. To claim the concept is vague and there's disagreement over what it covers is one thing; to claim that it doesn't exist at all is quite another.
I of course don't object at all to a discussion of why the term is vague and disagreements over what exactly it might cover.
-Mark
Matthew J. Brown wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, The Cunctator wrote:
There can't be a law on 'partial-birth abortion' because it doesn't really exist except as a political construct.
That something doesn't exist doesn't mean there can't be a law about it ...
More accurately, I'd say that political constructs are the only things that have laws on them. The courts are what determine whether an act meets the defiition of that political construct. But maybe I'm quibbling.
-- Jake