On 5/10/06, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/10/06, Steve Bennett stevage@gmail.com wrote:
Heh, good call.
(I've often speculated about what is the least effort I would need to go to do do something notable enough to get a Wikipedia article.
Assumeing you want to do something that would not completly mess up the rest of your life politician may be an option. Some of the less major olympic sports might be worth a try.
How about being a hero? If you rescue a woman and child from a burning building are you notable? Either way, I still don't understand this notability thing.
Anthony
On 5/11/06, Anthony DiPierro wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
How about being a hero? If you rescue a woman and child from a burning building are you notable?
Not really. You might be able to dig out a few local news reports but that is about it. Save around 3000 people then it appears you probably do get an article [[Rick Rescorla]].
-- geni
On 5/10/06, Anthony DiPierro wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
On 5/10/06, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/10/06, Steve Bennett stevage@gmail.com wrote:
Heh, good call.
(I've often speculated about what is the least effort I would need to go to do do something notable enough to get a Wikipedia article.
Assumeing you want to do something that would not completly mess up the rest of your life politician may be an option. Some of the less major olympic sports might be worth a try.
How about being a hero? If you rescue a woman and child from a burning building are you notable? Either way, I still don't understand this notability thing.
Sleep with a celebrity? Be born into the family of a celebrity (Suri Cruise had an article for 8 days)
On Wed, 10 May 2006 21:34:20 -0500, you wrote:
Sleep with a celebrity? Be born into the family of a celebrity (Suri Cruise had an article for 8 days)
I think the least-work solution is to actually *be* a slebrity. Get on Big Brother and shag someone? Seemed to work for Jade Goody, anyway - loads of money despite no discernible talent. For anything.
Guy (JzG)
On 5/11/06, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2006 21:34:20 -0500, you wrote:
Sleep with a celebrity? Be born into the family of a celebrity (Suri Cruise had an article for 8 days)
I think the least-work solution is to actually *be* a slebrity. Get on Big Brother and shag someone? Seemed to work for Jade Goody, anyway - loads of money despite no discernible talent. For anything.
Sure, if I was born to Princess Di, I probably wouldn't have to do anything at all. But from where I am now, what's the shortest road to doing something worthy enough to get a whole article about me? For a verifiable source I would need to publish something, or be published about (hmm...I've been quoted in two academic papers, and wrote something for a published book). I'd probably need newspaper articles written about me.
Trouble is, even if you invent or create something great, you'd probably only get an article about the thing - not about the creator/inventor. Maybe a world record would be the way to go. Hmmm....
Steve
On Thu, 11 May 2006 11:42:18 +0200, you wrote:
Sure, if I was born to Princess Di, I probably wouldn't have to do anything at all. But from where I am now, what's the shortest road to doing something worthy enough to get a whole article about me? For a verifiable source I would need to publish something, or be published about (hmm...I've been quoted in two academic papers, and wrote something for a published book). I'd probably need newspaper articles written about me.
Hard to say. I've been features in the Times Educational Supplement, interviewed on BBC Radio a couple of times, been invited to contribute to a Government policy review, had an Early Day Motion placed in parliament, been seen on TV (once), and had many letters published in the press (including the British Medical Journal) or read out on the radio. And I would say that [[WP:HOLE]] applies in my case. You need to be more notable than that :-)
Guy (JzG)
Steve Bennett wrote:
Sure, if I was born to Princess Di, I probably wouldn't have to do anything at all. But from where I am now, what's the shortest road to doing something worthy enough to get a whole article about me? For a verifiable source I would need to publish something, or be published about (hmm...I've been quoted in two academic papers, and wrote something for a published book). I'd probably need newspaper articles written about me.
Trouble is, even if you invent or create something great, you'd probably only get an article about the thing - not about the creator/inventor. Maybe a world record would be the way to go. Hmmm....
Wikipedia has a systemic bias to do with anything to do with the media and entertainment (including professional sport). The easiest way, it seems, is to write some articles for a popular-ish magazine with a print run of 5000+. That isn't beyond the bounds of human possibility for anyone who has the skills to be a regular Wikipedia editor. Almost everyone I know over the age of 30 meets that criterion.
Somewhat harder, but still do-able, is to write some obscure and ephemeral novels that nonetheless appear in mass market paperback editions, with sales of over 5000.
Ironically, you can meet those criteria while not being considered notable for important articles in academic journals, or even important academic books, which commonly have print runs of less than 5000 but may end up having a lot more long-term, real-world impact.
Cheers,
Russell
On 5/11/06, Russell Blackford russellblackford@bigpond.com wrote:
<snip> Wikipedia has a systemic bias to do with anything to do with the media and entertainment (including professional sport). The easiest way, it seems, is to write some articles for a popular-ish magazine with a print run of 5000+. That isn't beyond the bounds of human possibility for anyone who has the skills to be a regular Wikipedia editor. Almost everyone I know over the age of 30 meets that criterion.
Somewhat harder, but still do-able, is to write some obscure and ephemeral novels that nonetheless appear in mass market paperback editions, with sales of over 5000.
Ironically, you can meet those criteria while not being considered notable for important articles in academic journals, or even important academic books, which commonly have print runs of less than 5000 but may end up having a lot more long-term, real-world impact.
Yeah, that's really sad. I didn't realise there was this disparity between publication in the popular press and publication for academics. But it makes some sense - publishing something in a magazine gets you noticed
On 5/11/06, Steve Bennett stevage@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, if I was born to Princess Di, I probably wouldn't have to do anything at all. But from where I am now, what's the shortest road to doing something worthy enough to get a whole article about me?
I'm sure the *shortest* road would involve something about you that we don't know about. For a reasonably intelligent person it's probably not that hard if you're dedicated enough. How hard depends a lot on your field of expertise though. If your field of expertise involves creating popular geeky websites, for instance, joining the ranks of [[Raph Levien]] and [[Rusty Foster]] probably isn't that hard. If your field is not as popular to Wikipedia admins, then you'd have to work on this more in your spare time.
Anthony
On 5/11/06, Anthony DiPierro wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
I'm sure the *shortest* road would involve something about you that we don't know about.
Hmm, I don't think my juggling skills are going to set the world on fire anytime soon. :)
Actually I've got one - a protest that gets wide attention. The guy who dressed up as batman in Buckingham Palace probably got an article. I bet that's it - not too much effort, big publicity/notoriety.
Steve
On 5/11/06, Steve Bennett stevage@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/11/06, Anthony DiPierro wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
I'm sure the *shortest* road would involve something about you that we don't know about.
Hmm, I don't think my juggling skills are going to set the world on fire anytime soon. :)
Actually I've got one - a protest that gets wide attention. The guy who dressed up as batman in Buckingham Palace probably got an article. I bet that's it - not too much effort, big publicity/notoriety.
How about: create an anti-Wikipedia website, publicise it through Wikipedia, make lots of noise about "abuses" in WP, use Wikipedia to increase the stature of your anti-WP website...
On 5/11/06, Guettarda guettarda@gmail.com wrote:
How about: create an anti-Wikipedia website, publicise it through Wikipedia, make lots of noise about "abuses" in WP, use Wikipedia to increase the stature of your anti-WP website...
Apparently while that's enough to get your website into the encyclopedia, it's not enough to get yourself into the encyclopedia.
Anthony
On 5/11/06, Anthony DiPierro wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
On 5/11/06, Guettarda guettarda@gmail.com wrote:
How about: create an anti-Wikipedia website, publicise it through
Wikipedia,
make lots of noise about "abuses" in WP, use Wikipedia to increase the stature of your anti-WP website...
Apparently while that's enough to get your website into the encyclopedia, it's not enough to get yourself into the encyclopedia.
Well...if you want to associate your name with your campaign, name the website after yourself...
I was thinking of something more specific, but like Voldemort, naming names just draws their attention to you...