Viajero gave a detailed description of the edit history:
<< More recently, an article called [[Terrorism against Israel in 2004]] was started in early January by an anon user and OneVoice (companion articles for earlier years were also created). As can be seen from the page histories, initially it was a timeline of Israeli victims of atrocities. Danny was furious about this article and left an angry comment at the top of the Talk page. I agreed: I thought it was basically a propaganda exercise. User BL took it upon himself to salvage the thing by renaming it [[Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2004]] and adding Israeli atrocities to give it more balance. OneVoice insisted on removing the Palestinian listings for a variety of convoluted reasons given on the Talk page. I agreed with BL's actions, and reverted OneVoice, and also reverted his repeated efforts to undo the redirect from [[Terrorism against Israel in 2004]]. As a reward for our efforts, OneVoice listed BL and me on [[Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress]], accusing BL and me of being the same person. >>
First of all, there is no doubt in my mind that BL and Viajero are different people. I've had on-line conversations with both of them, and their writing styles and philosophical outlook are distinct.
The idea of lumping together all the "terrorist acts" in the Middle East and labelling them "violence" may or may not be the best long-term solution for the Wikipedia's treatment of this terribly difficult and painful subject.
Certainly there are some "sides" that want to minimize or omit their own part in the fray, while maximizing the actions of others. I personally regard this as a sort of propaganda exercise and hope it won't be allowed to go too far at Wikipedia. Rather, we should write about ALL the significant events that have occurred in the Middle East.
If we are writing articles that have a bearing on the Arab-Israeli conflict, with its history of grievances and injustice and violence, how can we treat this matter without including everything we know?
Ed Poor Family Federation for World Peace
I think the key is to remember Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a blow by blow account. A few paragraphs in appropriate articles can contain all the information on this topic that belongs in an encyclopedia.
Fred
From: "Poor, Edmund W" Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:33:23 -0500 To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Terrorism is a particularly nasty form of violence (was: OneVoice)
Viajero gave a detailed description of the edit history:
<< More recently, an article called [[Terrorism against Israel in 2004]] was started in early January by an anon user and OneVoice (companion articles for earlier years were also created). As can be seen from the page histories, initially it was a timeline of Israeli victims of atrocities. Danny was furious about this article and left an angry comment at the top of the Talk page. I agreed: I thought it was basically a propaganda exercise. User BL took it upon himself to salvage the thing by renaming it [[Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2004]] and adding Israeli atrocities to give it more balance. OneVoice insisted on removing the Palestinian listings for a variety of convoluted reasons given on the Talk page. I agreed with BL's actions, and reverted OneVoice, and also reverted his repeated efforts to undo the redirect from [[Terrorism against Israel in 2004]]. As a reward for our efforts, OneVoice listed BL and me on [[Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress]], accusing BL and me of being the same person. >>
First of all, there is no doubt in my mind that BL and Viajero are different people. I've had on-line conversations with both of them, and their writing styles and philosophical outlook are distinct.
The idea of lumping together all the "terrorist acts" in the Middle East and labelling them "violence" may or may not be the best long-term solution for the Wikipedia's treatment of this terribly difficult and painful subject.
Certainly there are some "sides" that want to minimize or omit their own part in the fray, while maximizing the actions of others. I personally regard this as a sort of propaganda exercise and hope it won't be allowed to go too far at Wikipedia. Rather, we should write about ALL the significant events that have occurred in the Middle East.
If we are writing articles that have a bearing on the Arab-Israeli conflict, with its history of grievances and injustice and violence, how can we treat this matter without including everything we know?
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