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The user RachelCorrie is using their user page to show photos of Rachel Corrie and links about her death. She died while playing chicken with an Israeli bulldozer, in protest of the destruction of Palestinian settlement. The user has made no contributions other than turning their user page into a non-NPOV memorial to Rachel Corrie. I move that the user be banned. If their IP can be matched to another user, I think that the user should be warned against doing that in the future.
Really?
What's wrong with that?
It's not like her userpage needs to be NPOV, you know.
Now, it may be in bad taste or blatantly political, or may ruffle your feathers, but maybe she's gathering information on the subject while it's hot.
Perhaps a better course of action would be to engage this contributor into a dialog.
--- Jesse Alter jesse@snacksoft.com wrote:
The user RachelCorrie is using their user page to show photos of Rachel Corrie and links about her death. She died while playing chicken with an Israeli bulldozer, in protest of the destruction of Palestinian settlement. The user has made no contributions other than turning their user page into a non-NPOV memorial to Rachel Corrie. I move that the user be banned. If their IP can be matched to another user, I think that the user should be warned against doing that in the future.
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No, I disagree - in fact the user is already contributing to other pages as well. You should welcome her, and her new contributions, and be incouraging, and not a snot that is trying to advocate severe measures against a legitimate user simply on the basis of your cynical and callous political views. No apology is necessary, Jesse, just think before you type next time. -SV
Jesse typed... > >The user RachelCorrie is using their user page to show photos of Rachel Corrie and links about her death. She died while playing chicken with an Israeli bulldozer, in protest of the destruction of Palestinian settlement. The user has made no contributions other than turning their user page into a non-NPOV memorial to Rachel Corrie. I move that the user be banned. If their IP can be matched to another user, I think that the user should be warned against doing that in the future.
There were no contributions when I wrote to the list. It seemed to me at the time that this was a person who already had another account and created this one to get information on the site that would otherwise be edited mercilessly. If this is an active user, and not just a user page, then of course, by all means welcome them to Wikipedia (although their contributions seem to be to her own user page, RK's user page, and a talk page of an article). It seems the part of my brain responsible for tact was switched off when I posted. With a clear mind, I suppose there isn't a problem with this user, besides just "ruffling my feathers". As Christopher suggested, a better course of action would be to engage them into a dialog, which I plan to do if a problem comes up with this user.
However, please do not presume to know my political views. I don't believe I've made them public, and they do not factor into this issue. My quarrel had to do with a page being NPOV, not against my beliefs.
You say no apology is necessary, but I'll apologize anyway. I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions and suggesting something as severe as a ban when clearly my first step should have been to leave a note on the user's talk page.
Stevertigo wrote:
No, I disagree - in fact the user is already contributing to other pages as well. You should welcome her, and her new contributions, and be incouraging, and not a snot that is trying to advocate severe measures against a legitimate user simply on the basis of your cynical and callous political views. No apology is necessary, Jesse, just think before you type next time. -SV
Jesse typed... > >The user RachelCorrie is using their user page to show photos of Rachel Corrie and links about her death. She died while playing chicken with an Israeli bulldozer, in protest of the destruction of Palestinian settlement. The user has made no contributions other than turning their user page into a non-NPOV memorial to Rachel Corrie. I move that the user be banned. If their IP can be matched to another user, I think that the user should be warned against doing that in the future.
Although I have had problems with the encyclopedia article, I see no problem with allowing the User space to be used for this purpose. Zoe Christopher Mahan chris_mahan@yahoo.com wrote:Really?
What's wrong with that?
It's not like her userpage needs to be NPOV, you know.
Now, it may be in bad taste or blatantly political, or may ruffle your feathers, but maybe she's gathering information on the subject while it's hot.
Perhaps a better course of action would be to engage this contributor into a dialog.
--- Jesse Alter wrote:
The user RachelCorrie is using their user page to show photos of Rachel Corrie and links about her death. She died while playing chicken with an Israeli bulldozer, in protest of the destruction of Palestinian settlement. The user has made no contributions other than turning their user page into a non-NPOV memorial to Rachel Corrie. I move that the user be banned. If their IP can be matched to another user, I think that the user should be warned against doing that in the future.
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Jesse Alter wrote:
The user RachelCorrie is using their user page to show photos of Rachel Corrie and links about her death. She died while playing chicken with an Israeli bulldozer, in protest of the destruction of Palestinian settlement. The user has made no contributions other than turning their user page into a non-NPOV memorial to Rachel Corrie. I move that the user be banned. If their IP can be matched to another user, I think that the user should be warned against doing that in the future.
User pages are not subject to the same NPOV requirements as articles. Some of this material could even be put on a biographical article about Rachel Corrie. Clearly she had the courage to back up her beliefs with her life when she protested the criminal destruction of Palestinian homes.
User pages have never been subject to NPOV requirements. The exact parameters for what's appropriate on a userpage have never been set with any firmness, though it's worth noting that I think that there are some limits, since we aren't a free homepage provider. (Pornography would be one example of something I think would be inappropriate for a user page.)
This, though, doesn't even begin to approach those limits.
--Jimbo