The use of clique should not be considered a
pejorative, and may refer just as much to a "web of
trust" as to a "cabal." I dont make any judgements,
but rather chose a term which is neutral, and which
critics as well as core members of the "cabal" (you
and I ;)) may find agreeable.
TINC, true, but WIND (democracy) is also true. Whether
one prefers the term "core" or "cabal" is a matter of
where one is on the map.
--- Geoff Burling <llywrch(a)agora.rdrop.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, steve v wrote:
You know, Ill admit there is a certain ambiguity
we talk about "IAR" as a "stick of
valve to allow "decent wikipedians"
trump "trolls, vandals" (undesirables,
Steve, you just lost a large chunk of credibility
with me by using
the word "clique".
TINC. It's a case of thinking the grass is greener
on the other
side of the fence: because some people do more work,
or are more
persuasive in their arguments, other people think
that they are
part of some ruling clique, complete with a secret
Masonic handshake [*]
& Get Out of Jail cards.
I've been on Wikipedia as long as you, & I don't see
favors here. I have met only one person here in Real
Life, & only
know one other person from previous usenet contact
-- & I doubt that
I have any special clout with them because of it.
doubt anyone even reads my emails to this list --
but that's another
And if there was a clique, they'd either moderate
this list entirely
("Hey, that ligwitch guy's trying to post again!
Silly rabbit, hasn't
he learned that he's Not Allowed?"), or ignore it &
their own list or IRC channel.
And it's an easier idea to accept than that
Wikipedia has grown so
much that unless you spend a good chunk of time
conversations & disputes, things will happen &
decisions will be
made that will surprise you. And even if you do
extend the effort,
these surprises will still happen.
At the end of the day, after contributing hours of
labor on the
dull, unexciting parts of Wikipedia, one might wish
there was a
cabal or clique when some pissant resurrects the
same trivial argument
for the upteenth time that her/his POV is not being
heard, & that
not only could he/she be banned from Wikipedia, but
someone sent to
the person's home & have their modem & hard drive
smashed. But one
doesn't, because the other members of this alleged
clique would be
just as angry at you for high-handedness as the
pissant in question.
In short, if there was a real ruling clique on
all know it. For one thing, we'd have at least one
here who would be rubbing the fact that she/he
belongs in our faces.
* For the record, I've been shown a Real Masonic
not as interesting as the Monty Python sketch makes
it out to be.
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