The point made by Justinc has merit. Allowing mirrors to redistribute user pages and user talk pages serves as biographical info and documents the process of building the encyclopedia.
My first thought was to change the proposal to allow reuse of the images with the condition that the pages they are used in are substantially unchanged (there is no legitimate reason to distribute a substantially changed version of my user page). However, this modified proposal would still cause problems with the use of images on talk pages, and there are legitimate reasons for the distribution of substantially changed versions of talk pages (like continuing the debate in a fork of Wikipedia).
So after some though, I have decided to not modify the proposal, but let it stand as it is. The use of non-redistributable community images is intended to be limited, and the impact of a mirror not having the image of me on their copy of my user page is small.
Regards -Thue
On 22 Nov 2005, at 16:27, John Lee wrote:
Thue Janus Kristensen wrote:
I have created a proposal which would allow the use of non-free images in special cases outside the encyclopedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Licensing_for_community_images
Please CC any replies to me, I am not on this mailing list
Regards en:User:Thue
I would support this unless some sort of justification for "free images only at all times" policy is provided. The existing photo of me on my userpage is released under a free licence, and I have no intention of changing that barring extenuating circumstances. I would just like for other users to have the freedom to use an unfree-image as long as it is not used in the encyclopedia itself. There is no point for mirrors to keep our userpages anyhow, and many users when relicencing their contributions under another licence add a notice to the effect of "I relicence all my contributions except my userpage under the following licence". I believe the right exists for non-free content (as long as it's not a copyvio) to be used on userpages.
There is a point in mirrors having userspace. user talk includes documentation of the process of building the encyclopaedia outside article talk, and User is just like the biographical info about contributors that you get with a traditional encyclopaedia.
If people dont want their pictures free, they dont have o add them. They can always link to an external site.
Justinc
Nobody who has argued against my proposal has stated so explicitly, but I just realised that the reason why people are opposed to it is that they are afraid that it will turn into a free-for-all for non-free content.
A way to address this is to add a requirement to the proposal that only images which has some element of privacy (such as an image of myself on my userpage) should fall under the proposal. I don't see any reason not to restrict the proposal in this way, so I will edit the page once I am actually able to get through to Wikipedia :).
Mvh -Thue
On 11/23/05, Thue Janus Kristensen thuejk@gmail.com wrote:
The point made by Justinc has merit. Allowing mirrors to redistribute user pages and user talk pages serves as biographical info and documents the process of building the encyclopedia.
My first thought was to change the proposal to allow reuse of the images with the condition that the pages they are used in are substantially unchanged (there is no legitimate reason to distribute a substantially changed version of my user page). However, this modified proposal would still cause problems with the use of images on talk pages, and there are legitimate reasons for the distribution of substantially changed versions of talk pages (like continuing the debate in a fork of Wikipedia).
So after some though, I have decided to not modify the proposal, but let it stand as it is. The use of non-redistributable community images is intended to be limited, and the impact of a mirror not having the image of me on their copy of my user page is small.
Regards -Thue
On 22 Nov 2005, at 16:27, John Lee wrote:
Thue Janus Kristensen wrote:
I have created a proposal which would allow the use of non-free images in special cases outside the encyclopedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Licensing_for_community_images
Please CC any replies to me, I am not on this mailing list
Regards en:User:Thue
I would support this unless some sort of justification for "free images only at all times" policy is provided. The existing photo of me on my userpage is released under a free licence, and I have no intention of changing that barring extenuating circumstances. I would just like for other users to have the freedom to use an unfree-image as long as it is not used in the encyclopedia itself. There is no point for mirrors to keep our userpages anyhow, and many users when relicencing their contributions under another licence add a notice to the effect of "I relicence all my contributions except my userpage under the following licence". I believe the right exists for non-free content (as long as it's not a copyvio) to be used on userpages.
There is a point in mirrors having userspace. user talk includes documentation of the process of building the encyclopaedia outside article talk, and User is just like the biographical info about contributors that you get with a traditional encyclopaedia.
If people dont want their pictures free, they dont have o add them. They can always link to an external site.
Justinc