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uninvited＠nerstrand.net

17 Nov 2005 17 Nov '05

7:34 p.m.

We have a comparatively new user to thank for [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2005/Straw poll]]. I think the presence of this poll as well as the level of support it has garnered are both troubling. Wikipedians appear to be viewing the AC as some sort of generalized means of governance, which it isn't. uc

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geni

17 Nov 17 Nov

8:18 p.m.

On 11/17/05, uninvited(a)nerstrand.net <uninvited(a)nerstrand.net> wrote:

We have a comparatively new user to thank for [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2005/Straw poll]]. I think the presence of this poll as well as the level of support it has garnered are both troubling. Wikipedians appear to be viewing the AC as some sort of generalized means of governance, which it isn't. uc

Arbcom rulings have been cited in policy debates. Arbcom is the single most powerful group on wikipedia. For obvius reasons people want a say in who is in it. -- geni

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Jack Lynch

9:57 p.m.

I am before the current ArbCom, and while I felt comfortable w every other ArbCom we have had, Jimbo's recent appointees make me feel unsafe, and dubious of justice, despite the overwhelming evidence against my accuser. Something must be done, the status quo cannot continue. No justice, no peace. Jack (Sam Spade) On 11/17/05, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/17/05, uninvited(a)nerstrand.net <uninvited(a)nerstrand.net> wrote:

We have a comparatively new user to thank for [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2005/Straw poll]]. I think the presence of this poll as well as the level of support it has garnered are both troubling. Wikipedians appear to be viewing the AC as some sort of generalized means of governance, which it isn't. uc

Arbcom rulings have been cited in policy debates. Arbcom is the single most powerful group on wikipedia. For obvius reasons people want a say in who is in it. -- geni _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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steve v

10:22 p.m.

Well, I would say "preach on brother," but youve got to give us some specifics. Which Arbcom members - what issues. Dont generalize. Personally, I dislike the fact that Jimbo made those arbitrary appointments of relatively conservative members. But he justified them at the time that the Arbcom was shrinking, a "thankless job" and needed some membership -- who am I to argue with the founder's wisdom? I could say that in a wiki world, he could have called for a special election and had newly elected temporary members in a week. But again, who am I to argue? SV Jack Lynch <jack.i.lynch(a)gmail.com> wrote: I am before the current ArbCom, and while I felt comfortable w every other ArbCom we have had, Jimbo's recent appointees make me feel unsafe, and dubious of justice, despite the overwhelming evidence against my accuser. Something must be done, the status quo cannot continue. No justice, no peace. Jack (Sam Spade) On 11/17/05, geni wrote:

On 11/17/05, uninvited(a)nerstrand.net wrote:

We have a comparatively new user to thank for [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2005/Straw poll]]. I think the presence of this poll as well as the level of support it has garnered are both troubling. Wikipedians appear to be viewing the AC as some sort of generalized means of governance, which it isn't. uc

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Delirium

10:24 p.m.

steve v wrote:

Personally, I dislike the fact that Jimbo made those arbitrary appointments of relatively conservative members. But he justified them at the time that the Arbcom was shrinking, a "thankless job" and needed some membership -- who am I to argue with the founder's wisdom? I could say that in a wiki world, he could have called for a special election and had newly elected temporary members in a week. But again, who am I to argue?

As I understand it, that was considered, but many people thought it was counterproductive to have an election for a 6-month term, since we're going to have regularly-scheduled elections at the end of January anyway. This was especially true given how acrimonious the last election was---there was worry that few good candidates would want to go through a mud-slinging election only to have to do it again 6 months later. -Mark

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steve v

18 Nov 18 Nov

7:58 a.m.

(First of all - sorry for the formatting problems. Yahoo mail settings appear to have been changed somehow.) The argument that 'holding an election puts people through the bother of an election' is a bit trite. Temporary positions would not have invited a full election process, and a speedy and relatively informal one would have sufficed. -Stevertigo --- Delirium <delirium(a)hackish.org> wrote:

steve v wrote:

Personally, I dislike the fact that Jimbo made

those arbitrary appointments of relatively conservative members. But he justified them at the time that the Arbcom was shrinking, a "thankless job" and needed some membership -- who am I to argue with the founder's wisdom? I could say that in a wiki world, he could have called for a special election and had newly elected temporary members in a week. But again, who am I to argue?

As I understand it, that was considered, but many people thought it was counterproductive to have an election for a 6-month term, since we're going to have regularly-scheduled elections at the end of January anyway. This was especially true given how acrimonious the last election was---there was worry that few good candidates would want to go through a mud-slinging election only to have to do it again 6 months later. -Mark _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Matt Brown

8:42 a.m.

You really think? I somehow doubt it - even with the best intentions of speedy and informal, it would have become quite messy, I believe. -Matt

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Tony Sidaway

11:01 p.m.

I'm deeply suspicious of the election process. This is a project to produce an encyclopedia. Let's just have an all-appointed arbitration committee. The election process is a millstone, we need to keep the system lightweight and oriented to the purpose.

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MacGyverMagic/Mgm

11:45 p.m.

Jimbo wouldn't have appointed them to the arbcom if he didn't believe them to be trustworthy. If you believe he was mistaken, dig up the evidence and appeal his decision. --Mgm

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Jack Lynch

19 Nov 19 Nov

9:54 a.m.

To who? Jack (Sam Spade) On 11/19/05, MacGyverMagic/Mgm <macgyvermagic(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Jimbo wouldn't have appointed them to the arbcom if he didn't believe them to be trustworthy. If you believe he was mistaken, dig up the evidence and appeal his decision. --Mgm _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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charles matthews

10:05 a.m.

MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote

Jimbo wouldn't have appointed them to the arbcom if he didn't believe

them to be trustworthy. Obviously.

If you believe he was mistaken, dig up the

evidence and appeal his decision. An invitation to sling mud is not in the best possible taste. There are some tensions around, since there are misgivings about the way ArbCom places are going to be filled. (I share few of those, as I've seen them expressed.) This is not, however, a great time (if there is one) for negative campaigning of any sort. Our past hustings have not been for the thin-skinned, and ArbCom places need quality candidates. Charles

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Mark Gallagher

18 Nov 18 Nov

7:11 a.m.

G'day Jack,

I am before the current ArbCom, and while I felt comfortable w every other ArbCom we have had, Jimbo's recent appointees make me feel unsafe, and dubious of justice, despite the overwhelming evidence against my accuser. Something must be done, the status quo cannot continue. No justice, no peace.

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