Some slogans, even hateful slogans, are of sufficient historical (or other) importance that they can deserve a separate article.
I respectfully disagree with this. It does seem to be a vague "policy", and begs for a test as to its consistency. But the tribe has spoken.
And my adding the second "slogan" article was to see if the informal consensus was consistent, or if there was some sort of anti-gay complacency. Given the controversial nature of the subject, not to mention that I did it hastily and in what amounts to very, very, poor taste, I owe all an apology.
I was surprised to find that despite my explanations, my stated intent was completely misunderstood and misrepresented. Nevertheless, this is not the place for such frustrated experiments, and I was, as Vicki said, guilty of 'not being clear.' I am guilty, also of letting myself be distracted into arguments for which there are no winners, and for which there is nothing to gain, without willingness for mutual understanding. Ed was completely correct in his description of my excess zeal; and I was wrong to treat Vicki and Robert in a condescending manner for what, to them, were valid questions.
Are you accusing him of using sysop powers "in a fight" or >merely of using
ordinary wiki editing in a way that you don't like?
If you read the text attachment of the background of the VFD page, regarding these articles, it shows some degree on Cuncators part of being a bit monolithic in his treatment of the article. James even at one point, was left to ask Cuncator himself to delete a useless page he made so he could revert it back. I dont know how bad that got, or if its even the way i characterize it.. nor do I expect you to be everyones babysitter and private investigator... This is just an explanation. I wouldnt mind if it simply rested here.
I generally find that if I keep my mouth shut for awhile, NPOV emerges. In this cases, we went over all this with the "Aids" slogan, and I thought the result was fine. I said my piece there.
Yes, I'm finding this out. -S
|From: "Stevertigo" stevertigo@attbi.com |X-Priority: 3 |X-MSMail-Priority: Normal |X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 |Sender: wikien-l-admin@wikipedia.org |Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org |Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:51:13 -0800 | |>Some slogans, even hateful slogans, are of sufficient historical |>(or other) importance that they can deserve a separate article. | |I respectfully disagree with this. It does seem to be a vague "policy", and |begs for a test as to its consistency. But the tribe has spoken. |
Slogans worth an article:
"54-40 or fight." -- settling the northern border of US
"Pedicaris alive, or El-Rasaouli dead." -- early venture into middle eastern affairs
"We are Republicans and we don't propose to identify ourselves with the party whose antecedents have been rum, Romanism and rebellion." US 1884 election
There are many more.
That said, the AKFD thing has all the aspects of a troll, a patently offensive, superficially defensible sucker play for attention, disturbance, distortion, and endless dispute.
Tom Parmenter Ortolan88