Bad wording on my part. I was referring to his attempts to out editors and his legal threats. If we allow legal threats as long as they're outside the wiki, the NLT policy really isn't helpful at all. Mgm On 4/20/07, Tony Sidaway <tonysidaway(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 4/20/07, Tony Sidaway <tonysidaway(a)gmail.com> wrote: casuistry?

Tony Sidaway wrote: Casuistry = Wikilawyering Pragmatism = Ignore All Rules. Ec

MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote: Yes, it can be legitimate to block someone for off-wiki activities. Our tradition has been to try to mostly avoid it as being overly intrusive into the lives of editors, but it really depends on the context and complex judgment calls. That's what the ArbCom is for. It is a depressing and difficult job. --Jimbo

On 21/04/07, Andries Krugers Dagneaux <andrieskd(a)chello.nl> wrote: It's usually considered as part of ascertaining a pattern of behaviour, i.e. is this person an irredeemable dick? have they done the same thing over and over elsewhere and now it's Wikipedia's turn? are they being sweetness and light on Wikipedia itself but blatantly encouraging attacks elsewhere? etc., etc. It's corroboration as to character. - d.

On Apr 21, 2007, at 8:57 AM, Andries Krugers Dagneaux wrote: A side issue? Not exactly. The policy clearly says: "Wikipedia acknowledges that it cannot regulate behavior in media not under the control of the Wikimedia Foundation, but personal attacks elsewhere may create doubt as to whether an editor's on-wiki actions are being conducted in good faith. Posting personal attacks or defamation off-Wikipedia is harmful to the entire community, and to an editor's relationship with it. While an editor may not be directly penalized for off-wiki attacks, such attacks may be taken as aggravating factors when any on-wiki policy violations are being considered. For example, they can be used as evidence in the dispute- resolution process, including in Arbitration cases." Attack fellow editors off-wiki, and AGF goes out of the window, and these actions will be taken as aggravating factors in ArbCom decisions. That is not a "side issue" IMO. -- Jossi