Please ask Chris Mahan to stop making false accusations about me. I do not like being wrongly accused of altering other people's comments, and then being threatened with a ban for the "sin" of having a different point of view than a Sysop. That is a gross violation of Wiki Sysop priviliges.
Chris Mahan writes:
Maybe you should stick to writing scientific papers and leave WP to other, more cooperative people. (By the way, if you remove, alter, or misinterpret this comment, I'll email Jimbo and have you banned.) Christopher Mahan
Source: Talk:Chiropractic_medicine
So I am now banned if I misinterpret this threat? What kind of twisted logic is that?
Note that this attack on me came in response to a discussion on a topic of which he apparently has done no reading; except for me (sadly!) mosy of the contributors seem totally unfamiliar with the scientific literature. (Why can't we get more contributors who study the literature?)
Example of NPOV: We don't let people ignorant of advanced mathematics vandalise our articles by saying "This mathemathical conjecture has been proven", when in fact the conjecture has never been proven. Similarly, we should not let alternative-health advocates imply that certain claims have been proven true, when no scientific evidence exists.
When discussing the effectiveness of a proposed technique, we are obligated by intellectual honesty (and NPOV) to discuss the mainstream scientific consensus on the issue, and explain why this consensus exists. This is especially true in cases where the proposed technique has been proven to sometimes lead to spinal injury, strokes, and some deaths.
(And again, remember that chirpractic medicine is NOT the same as the more limited use of medical spinal manipulation.)
RK
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Its not often that I see myself agreeing with RK (he can attest to that), but I think that it is out of line for Chris Mahan to threaten RK with banning if he misinterprets his comments. I have not engaged in the Chiropractic discussion at all, and this is just my $ 0.02.
Sascha Noyes aka snoyes
On Monday 17 March 2003 13:47, Robert wrote:
Please ask Chris Mahan to stop making false accusations about me. I do not like being wrongly accused of altering other people's comments, and then being threatened with a ban for the "sin" of having a different point of view than a Sysop. That is a gross violation of Wiki Sysop priviliges.
Chris Mahan writes:
Maybe you should stick to writing scientific papers and leave WP to other, more cooperative people. (By the way, if you remove, alter, or misinterpret this comment, I'll email Jimbo and have you banned.) Christopher Mahan
Source: Talk:Chiropractic_medicine
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RK
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I agreed with RK in a sense, about that page... but he was speaking (typing) out of no less ignorance or real knowlege of the subject than Susan was... RK showed some rare objectivity, due to his distance from the material, and Susan continued to assert half baked notions of the subject without covering the basics. Thats that. As far as Chris getting a little frustrated with Robert... well... hes only human. Im sure you understand Sascha :) -SV
Its not often that I see myself agreeing with RK (he can attest to that),
but
I think that it is out of line for Chris Mahan to threaten RK with banning
if
he misinterprets his comments. I have not engaged in the Chiropractic discussion at all, and this is just my $ 0.02.
Sascha Noyes aka snoyes
On Monday 17 March 2003 13:47, Robert wrote:
Please ask Chris Mahan to stop making false accusations about me. I do not like being wrongly accused of altering other people's comments, and then being threatened with a ban for the "sin" of having a different point of view than a Sysop. That is a gross violation of Wiki Sysop priviliges.
Chris Mahan writes:
Maybe you should stick to writing scientific papers and leave WP to other, more cooperative people. (By the way, if you remove, alter, or misinterpret this comment, I'll email Jimbo and have you banned.) Christopher Mahan
Source: Talk:Chiropractic_medicine
<snip>
RK
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Mi-Lublin,
1745-1815]
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Robert,
I apologize for the tone of my comment and I did not want to imply that you had modified other people's comments. It is just that from bitter experience I sometimes feel the need to pepper my writings.
So you know I am not a sysop.
Also, in the spirit of cooperation I need you to look at your own attitude about your contribution to the P. Please do not think this as an accusation of any sort, but rather as an exhortation to temper your approach to fit the collaborative nature of this medium.
I had a conversation with a friend at a party last saturday, and he said that he had looked at the P a cople of times, but had been disappointed by the quality of some of the articles. I explained to him that the P was not authoritative in any respect and that it was more of an experiment in collaborative work than anything else, but one that might, in the long run, and because of its open nature, ultimately become authoritative because it is edited by many more eyes than regular encyclopedias.
--- Robert rkscience100@yahoo.com wrote:
Please ask Chris Mahan to stop making false accusations about me. I do not like being wrongly accused of altering other people's comments, and then being threatened with a ban for the "sin" of having a different point of view than a Sysop. That is a gross violation of Wiki Sysop priviliges.
Chris Mahan writes:
Maybe you should stick to writing scientific papers and leave WP to other, more cooperative people. (By the way, if you remove, alter, or misinterpret this comment, I'll email Jimbo and have you banned.) Christopher Mahan
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Christopher Mahan wrote:
I apologize for the tone of my comment and I did not want to imply that you had modified other people's comments. It is just that from bitter experience I sometimes feel the need to pepper my writings.
Bravo to Christopher for this apology.
Also, in the spirit of cooperation I need you to look at your own attitude about your contribution to the P. Please do not think this as an accusation of any sort, but rather as an exhortation to temper your approach to fit the collaborative nature of this medium.
I think this is a perfectly proper thing to ask.
--Jimbo