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Christopher Thieme

26 Jan 2007 26 Jan '07

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...NUKE [[WP:CIVIL]] as it's unworkable, increases uncivil conduct, and encourages hypocrisy. And I am serious. I also think [[WP:GA]] is incorrigible and unredeemable, that is has lost it's credibility and is better put out of its misery instead of remaining a mockery of its good intentions. Regards, Christopher D. Thieme

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Gurch

26 Jan 26 Jan

12:05 a.m.

Christopher Thieme wrote:

...NUKE [[WP:CIVIL]] as it's unworkable, increases uncivil conduct, and encourages hypocrisy. And I am serious. I also think [[WP:GA]] is incorrigible and unredeemable, that is has lost it's credibility and is better put out of its misery instead of remaining a mockery of its good intentions. Regards, Christopher D. Thieme

Oh, just delete the whole project and start again. That would solve everything. -Gurch

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Pilotguy

2:54 a.m.

On 1/25/07, Gurch <matthew.britton(a)btinternet.com> wrote:Christopher Thieme wrote:

...NUKE [[WP:CIVIL]] as it's unworkable, increases uncivil conduct, and encourages hypocrisy. And I am serious. I also think [[WP:GA]] is incorrigible and

unredeemable,

that is has lost it's credibility and is better put out of its misery instead of remaining a mockery of its good intentions. Regards, Christopher D. Thieme

Oh, just delete the whole project and start again. That would solve everything. -Gurch Hah. At the rate we're going, that doesn't seem to be out of the question. On 1/25/07, Gurch <matthew.britton(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

Christopher Thieme wrote:

...NUKE [[WP:CIVIL]] as it's unworkable, increases uncivil conduct, and encourages hypocrisy. And I am serious. I also think [[WP:GA]] is incorrigible and

unredeemable,

that is has lost it's credibility and is better put out of its misery instead of remaining a mockery of its good intentions. Regards, Christopher D. Thieme

Oh, just delete the whole project and start again. That would solve everything. -Gurch _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Omegatron

12:09 a.m.

On 1/25/07, Christopher Thieme <cdthieme(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...NUKE [[WP:CIVIL]] as it's unworkable, increases uncivil conduct, and encourages hypocrisy.

How does it increase uncivil conduct? Compare Wikipedia talk pages with *any* discussion forum or bulletin board. When aggression exists, [[WP:CIVIL]] does turn it into this snide through-the-teeth aggression. "Thank you for contributing to our project (fuckhead)! We really appreciate your contributions, but we've deleted them all (because you're an idiot). Please read through all our policies before making further contributions (because you're clearly too dense to have absorbed them the first time)." But it's still better than the unmoderated flamewars you'll find on any other site.

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Alphax (Wikipedia email)

12:39 p.m.

Omegatron wrote:

On 1/25/07, Christopher Thieme <cdthieme(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...NUKE [[WP:CIVIL]] as it's unworkable, increases uncivil conduct, and encourages hypocrisy.

How does it increase uncivil conduct? Compare Wikipedia talk pages with *any* discussion forum or bulletin board. When aggression exists, [[WP:CIVIL]] does turn it into this snide through-the-teeth aggression. "Thank you for contributing to our project (fuckhead)! We really appreciate your contributions, but we've deleted them all (because you're an idiot). Please read through all our policies before making further contributions (because you're clearly too dense to have absorbed them the first time)."

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Roberto Alfonso

12:10 a.m.

On 1/25/07, Christopher Thieme <cdthieme(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...NUKE [[WP:CIVIL]] as it's unworkable, increases uncivil conduct, and encourages hypocrisy. And I am serious. I also think [[WP:GA]] is incorrigible and unredeemable, that is has lost it's credibility and is better put out of its misery instead of remaining a mockery of its good intentions. Regards, Christopher D. Thieme _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Support. Delete [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:NPA]] because they incentive users to be uncivil and give them ideas about personal attacks per [[WP:BEANS]]. Joking, RB

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Steve Bennett

3:15 p.m.

On 1/26/07, Christopher Thieme <cdthieme(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...NUKE [[WP:CIVIL]] as it's unworkable, increases uncivil conduct, and encourages hypocrisy. And I am serious.

Presuming for a moment that you are, how would deleting [[WP:CIVIL]] help the project? Steve

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Ken Arromdee

6:52 p.m.

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Christopher Thieme wrote:

...NUKE [[WP:CIVIL]] as it's unworkable, increases uncivil conduct, and encourages hypocrisy. And I am serious.

While we're at it, get rid of [[WP:AGF]], for pretty much the same reason. The majority of uses of it are when a user commits an abuse and deflects criticism by saying "you aren't assuming good faith about me".

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Alphax (Wikipedia email)
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Pilotguy
Roberto Alfonso
Steve Bennett