I created the User:UBX account solely to host userboxes migrated via the Userbox Migration (formerly called The German Solution). I have been using my bot, User:MetsBot, to migrate many useboxes to a subpage of User:UBX. I started by migrating only clearly controversial userboxes, but then moved into userboxes about interests, etc, which was met by opposition from some. Just to be clear, isn't the consensus that we're migrating basically all userboxes which cannot directly help the project, and keeping ones such as languages, education level and expertise, WikiProject affiliations, time zones, locations, and a few others? Should a userbox like "This user was a boy scout" really not be migrated? Thanks. --Mets501
On 2/22/07, Jeremy Cushman mets501wiki@gmail.com wrote:
I created the User:UBX account solely to host userboxes migrated via the Userbox Migration (formerly called The German Solution). I have been using my bot, User:MetsBot, to migrate many useboxes to a subpage of User:UBX. I started by migrating only clearly controversial userboxes, but then moved into userboxes about interests, etc, which was met by opposition from some. Just to be clear, isn't the consensus that we're migrating basically all userboxes which cannot directly help the project, and keeping ones such as languages, education level and expertise, WikiProject affiliations, time zones, locations, and a few others? Should a userbox like "This user was a boy scout" really not be migrated? Thanks. --Mets501
Where there's a consensus to move the userboxes, I don't see any harm in keeping a central library. Even if you don't move them into that userspace, you could have redirects pointing out *from* User:UBX to the actual template/userpages involved.
As far as where the consensus is, I haven't touched or looked at anything involving the userbox wars for quite some time. I suppose, if everything is located in or pointed at from the userspace of User:UBX, then you might be able to make a template which accepts userbox names as a parameter and calls the relevant subpages.
But not sure if other people will think that's a good idea. ;)
-Luna
It's probably a good idea for your bot to get approval to do that. Basically, they're already listed in a central place through the Wikipedia:userboxes page. Are you doing this to make the typing easier?
Mgm
On 2/22/07, Luna lunasantin@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/22/07, Jeremy Cushman mets501wiki@gmail.com wrote:
I created the User:UBX account solely to host userboxes migrated via the Userbox Migration (formerly called The German Solution). I have been using my bot, User:MetsBot, to migrate many useboxes to a subpage of User:UBX. I started by migrating only clearly controversial userboxes, but then
moved
into userboxes about interests, etc, which was met by opposition from some. Just to be clear, isn't the consensus that we're migrating basically all userboxes which cannot directly help the project, and keeping ones such
as
languages, education level and expertise, WikiProject affiliations, time zones, locations, and a few others? Should a userbox like "This user
was
a boy scout" really not be migrated? Thanks. --Mets501
Where there's a consensus to move the userboxes, I don't see any harm in keeping a central library. Even if you don't move them into that userspace, you could have redirects pointing out *from* User:UBX to the actual template/userpages involved.
As far as where the consensus is, I haven't touched or looked at anything involving the userbox wars for quite some time. I suppose, if everything is located in or pointed at from the userspace of User:UBX, then you might be able to make a template which accepts userbox names as a parameter and calls the relevant subpages.
But not sure if other people will think that's a good idea. ;)
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On 2/22/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
It's probably a good idea for your bot to get approval to do that. Basically, they're already listed in a central place through the Wikipedia:userboxes page. Are you doing this to make the typing easier?
Mgm
Like I said in the previous message, I wasn't meaning to create a quasi-namespace or anything. I was just migrating userboxes from template space to user space. The first part of the email, wasn't a question, it was a statement :-) The only question I had was whether I had the right views on which templates should remain in template space.
And I know a fair bit about the bot approvals process being in the Bot Approvals Group myself, but I did still seek the opinion of other BAG members, who were OK with the task (which I think there's some confusion about in this thread anyway). :-)
--Mets501
On 2/22/07, Luna lunasantin@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/22/07, Jeremy Cushman mets501wiki@gmail.com wrote:
I created the User:UBX account solely to host userboxes migrated via the Userbox Migration (formerly called The German Solution). I have been using my bot, User:MetsBot, to migrate many useboxes to a subpage of User:UBX. I started by migrating only clearly controversial userboxes, but then
moved
into userboxes about interests, etc, which was met by opposition from some. Just to be clear, isn't the consensus that we're migrating basically all userboxes which cannot directly help the project, and keeping ones such
as
languages, education level and expertise, WikiProject affiliations, time zones, locations, and a few others? Should a userbox like "This user
was
a boy scout" really not be migrated? Thanks. --Mets501
Where there's a consensus to move the userboxes, I don't see any harm in keeping a central library. Even if you don't move them into that userspace, you could have redirects pointing out *from* User:UBX to the actual template/userpages involved.
As far as where the consensus is, I haven't touched or looked at anything involving the userbox wars for quite some time. I suppose, if everything is located in or pointed at from the userspace of User:UBX, then you might be able to make a template which accepts userbox names as a parameter and calls the relevant subpages.
But not sure if other people will think that's a good idea. ;)
-Luna
That's not really what I was thinking. I was just migrating them into userspace, just as Scepia, Rfrisbie, Xaosflux, and many others have done. My main question was if I was correct in my views of which templates remain in template space, and which remain in user space. I think the name User:UBX was confusing people; it wasn't meant to be a quasi-namespace or anything, just a location where Userboxes could be stored. --Mets501
Jeremy Cushman mets501wiki@gmail.com wrote:
migrating basically all userboxes which cannot directly help the project, and keeping ones such as languages, education level and expertise, WikiProject affiliations, time zones, locations, and a few others? Should a userbox like "This user was a boy scout" really not be migrated?
I was going to let this go, but then the Essjay New Yorker situation popped up. So, as a good wikipedia article should do, summarize at the top:
1. All user boxes that can't be verified internally should be migrated. 2. Add a clear, very visible, and short disclaimer at the top of every user page that summarizes: nothing on the page has been verified to be true or have anything to do with the encyclopedia - it can not be trusted. Users, including admins, can and do claim anything.
Analysis & review:
This user was a girl scout This user was a black belt This user was a highschool basketball starter This user was a little league player And this little user was a Ms. America contestant
If it were up to me, I'd only include those that can be verified AND do directly have some impact. Then the next question is what are you actually willing and have the resources to verify? Can you really follow-up on everyone who decides to claim they're a PHD? Maybe. A college grad? Good luck.
You can quickly confirm what people have done and contributed to internally and award them the boxes accordingly.
If they want to claim a time zone, who cares. Live in whatever time you like. A location? You can test language online, but that won't help you verify if someone is actually living anywhere and what are you going to do, send out the Wikipedia census crew?
The problem with userboxes in general is that they add a sense of authority simply by standing out and having formatting that is hard to achieve otherwise, like a seal on a paper document. This goes to the weight part of the policy in NPOV.
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