I've decided to recuse as a clerk in this one, mostly in order to say this: this case is about userboxes.
More specifically, it is about the extremely destructive but widely denied effects on our community of the creation in template space of very large numbers of templates that have as their sole purpose the viral propagation of political opinions and the linking together of Wikipedians according to those opinions. Sometimes the highly politicised templates contain links to categories, which have the effect of linking the users of these templates in a network according to political opinion. This network is incompatible with Wikipedia's principle of neutrality and has been openly used (for instance in the Catholic Alliance case) in deliberate and conscious attempts to subvert that policy.
There is nothing that can be said in a template that cannot already be said by keying or pasting into a page the equivalent sequence of wiki, html and css code. There is no meaning that cannot be conveyed by such sequences of code . Therefore these political templates, by facilitating the replication of their contents, and through the category and whatlinkshere mechanisms, have as their sole function the systematic destruction of the neutrality policy.
The arbitration committee must decide whether its principal purpose is to uphold and defend the culture that has gotten us this far, or merely to enforce some of the written rules that are being used to mock and trample that culture. Whether to preside over the recovery of Wikipedia from one of the most massive challenges to its neutral, welcoming culture, or to read its death sentence. --Tony Sidaway 14:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
--- Tony Sidaway f.crdfa@gmail.com wrote:
I've decided to recuse as a clerk in this one, mostly in order to say this: this case is about userboxes.
I had a quick look at it, and to me it would seem to be more a case about admins revert-warring using rollback; userboxes are just the backdrop.
More specifically, it is about the extremely destructive but widely denied effects on our community of the creation in template space of very large numbers of templates that have as their sole purpose the viral propagation of political opinions and the linking together of Wikipedians according to those opinions.
From the incidents that I hear about, much more destructive would seem to be
the way people (both pro and anti) care so much about userboxes that they'll act in daft ways to defend their positions. I'm not at all convinced that the use of userboxes as POV rallying tools is anywhere near as problematic as this.
-- Matt
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On 3/6/06, Matt R matt_crypto@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
--- Tony Sidaway f.crdfa@gmail.com wrote:
I've decided to recuse as a clerk in this one, mostly in order to say this: this case is about userboxes.
I had a quick look at it, and to me it would seem to be more a case about admins revert-warring using rollback; userboxes are just the backdrop.
On the other hand, many (if not most) recent incidents of wheel-warring (and admin edit-warring in general) have been centered around userboxes. They can hardly be considered just a backdrop at this point.
Kirill Lokshin
Well look at it this way. If arbcom says this has nothing to do with userboxes, this will be the third case in five weeks about which it has had to say that. And no doubt there will be more, until the issues can no longer be avoided.
--- Tony Sidaway f.crdfa@gmail.com wrote:
Well look at it this way. If arbcom says this has nothing to do with userboxes, this will be the third case in five weeks about which it has had to say that. And no doubt there will be more, until the issues can no longer be avoided.
Have these ArbCom cases been directly about userboxes being used as networking tools for POV pushers? Or have they been about people acting disruptively in their response to this perceived peril (and likewise others in response to the response)?
-- Matt
Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto Blog: http://cipher-text.blogspot.com
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On 3/6/06, Kirill Lokshin kirill.lokshin@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/6/06, Matt R matt_crypto@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
--- Tony Sidaway f.crdfa@gmail.com wrote:
I've decided to recuse as a clerk in this one, mostly in order to say this: this case is about userboxes.
I had a quick look at it, and to me it would seem to be more a case about admins revert-warring using rollback; userboxes are just the backdrop.
On the other hand, many (if not most) recent incidents of wheel-warring (and admin edit-warring in general) have been centered around userboxes. They can hardly be considered just a backdrop at this point.
Kirill Lokshin
They are just a conveient battle ground for a number of other issues that are comeing to a head (generational, level of respect for policy and community consensus and the like).
-- geni