On Jun 1, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Jayjg wrote:

Lengthy posts accusing me of "framing", "trapping people in this loop of hate speech", "obfuscating" , "advocating censorship" etc. cannot help but "make it personal". I think if you view this dispassionately you will agree.

I don't happen to remember using "obfuscating," but maybe I did. In any case, the phrases you've listed all expressed the way I felt about your own rhetoric. I don't see that as "making it personal." Making it personal would involve calling you a "jerk" or an "asshole" or making disparaging references to your ethnicity, family, profession or some other personal attribute. If you're saying that you think my own rhetoric was too abrasive, I can see how you might feel that way. From my point of view, it seemed that you were the one who first escalated the rhetoric, and I was responding. You evidently think it was the other way around. If you're right, I apologize. If I'm right, you owe me a beer.

I don't see a lot of value in rehashing this further. We've both had our say.

Standing down now...backing away from the knife...

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