G'day Luna,
I do think it's worth pointing out that literally every time I've mentioned dislike of infoboxes to non-WPians, the reply has been along the lines of "Why not? They're AWESOME!" I try to explain the objections, but usually the person is so set on the accessibility front that they can't see why anyone would want to avoid the boxes. It's not just bots that want information in an easily parsed format.
I think my perspective as (let's face it) an ex-Wikipedian is pretty similar to that of the common or garden-variety non-WP reader these days. (This may be why I've become significantly more of an inclusionist since I stopped creating --- and deleting --- articles). I tend to find the infoboxes alternately annoying and silly or practical and awesome, depending on my frame of mind and purpose. If I'm after specific information --- e.g. a recent case where a colleague and I were arguing over the population breakdown of the UK --- the infoboxes save me time and prevent confusion. If I'm just reading for the heck of it (cf. xkcd's "hours of fascinated clicking") they tend to be distracting. This is especially jarring in the case of subjects whose details don't break down easily into infoboxes, like real people.
As a reader, it's cool to quickly find the national motto of Burundi or the height of Centrepoint Tower without having to read through paragraphs of text. I love infoboxes! But also as a reader, it's distracting to have a professional wrestler's "coach" or actress's bust size floating in the corner of the screen. I hate infoboxes! I guess you can break that down to say: it's nice when there is a consensus view of what a given infobox should say; it's less nice when the people who populate the infoboxes have different interests and values from you.
Cheers,
On Jan 29, 2009, at 2:48 AM, Mark Gallagher wrote:
I tend to find the infoboxes alternately annoying and silly or practical and awesome, depending on my frame of mind and purpose.
One solution to the love/hate problem with infoboxes would be to add a hide/show preference... similar to NO_TOC.
--Noah--
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:48 AM, Mark Gallagher mark@formonelane.netwrote:
As a reader, it's cool to quickly find the national motto of Burundi or the height of Centrepoint Tower without having to read through paragraphs of text. I love infoboxes! But also as a reader, it's distracting to have a professional wrestler's "coach" or actress's bust size floating in the corner of the screen. I hate infoboxes! I guess you can break that down to say: it's nice when there is a consensus view of what a given infobox should say; it's less nice when the people who populate the infoboxes have different interests and values from you.
A point well taken. :) Any band article with an infobox tends to attract small-time battles over the specific list of genres to include, too, I've noticed -- these people never seem to bother with the prose, I suppose because they might then have to cite references from time to time.
Thinking specifically of articles about nations, some of our larger infoboxes manage to get a bit overwhelming. Purely in the interest of brainstorming and discussion, is this good or bad? If it is bad, is there something we could do about it? Break the main infobox down a bit, put smaller infoboxes in major sections of the article? Put some information into split articles (say, all but basic economic info to an infobox on the [[Economy of Foo]] article)? Before we break out the torches and pitchforks, I wouldn't call these serious proposals, just looking for ideas.
-Luna
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:02, Luna lunasantin@gmail.com wrote:
Any band article with an infobox tends to attract small-time battles over the specific list of genres to include, too, I've noticed
I've always thought the proper solution to this is to hardcode the "genre" line to read "music" -- although I suppose this would lead to edit wars over the use of such infoboxes in articles on rappers.
Hehe good one
-- Alvaro
On 29-01-2009, at 22:51, Mark Wagner carnildo@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:02, Luna lunasantin@gmail.com wrote:
Any band article with an infobox tends to attract small-time battles over the specific list of genres to include, too, I've noticed
I've always thought the proper solution to this is to hardcode the "genre" line to read "music" -- although I suppose this would lead to edit wars over the use of such infoboxes in articles on rappers.
-- Mark [[User:Carnildo]]
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