Ned Scott had I considered you "garbage" in the matter I would not have even attempted to talk to you. I value your opinions on the matter greatly. I value what you are trying to do but you are missing a particular point: I documented multiple revert wars and article blankings TTN committed just in 48 hours. You are ignoring that completely which is why this post is so "harsh". His conduct contributes to the problem and not the solution. Hence it is disruptive. He must stop before we attempt anything.
One must discuss the matter first before taking action. That is the minimal standard of collaboration. Otherwise it is like a Cardassian court: the verdict is reached before the trial.
I have been patiently looking the other way in regards to TTN's conduct. My patience has a limit. Is the actions of TTN based on consensus? Community at large is ignoring the issue. Even arbcom is ignoring the issue for the most part. They do see a problem as per their discussion but are unwilling to act on it. Because of the ignorance and/or apathy of the wikipedia community as a whole, this issue has escalated and will continue to escalate.
I am a part of that community and I disagree with your statement completely. There are many other people that disagree. You do not assume what the community wants and assume it is what you want. You reach a resolution first and then it is very easy to enforce it. This matter is to be handled on a case by case basis. To be more specific on an article by article basis. This is what collaboration is about right?
If this isn't a war then TTN and others can very easily stop the mass blanking and discuss the issue throughly and reach a compromise. If they aren't going to stop willingly, alternative ways can be easily arranged.
Also advertising 3rd party sources as you are doing is something immensely disliked. Please stop doing so. The target wiki can be licensed under GFDL but that is still a 3rd party site. It is also very hostile to ask people to "get the heck out" to another wiki because some people will not allow them to edit here. It does not create a collaborative environment. People should feel welcome to the discussion not be shown the door. So I ask you not to do this anymore. Not here and not on wikipedia at least for a while.
- White Cat
On Dec 30, 2007 8:49 AM, Ned Scott ned@nedscott.com wrote:
Considering our recent pleasant interactions, I'm not sure what has caused you to become so harsh. For starters, I am not "advertising" anything, I'm noting another GFDL wiki site that the community can use as a tool. Right now I'm formatting a WikiProject page for transwiki'ing articles to wikis outside of the Foundation wikis, and we just learned on [[WT:FICT]] that http://annex.wikia.com now allows any user to import articles, not just admins (this means full article histories can easily be copied off-wiki). These are great resources, and I won't hesitate to tell everyone I can about them. And this isn't just limited to Wikia; there's a ton of wikis and wiki farms out there that are also great resources.
If you wish to make nothing but bad-faith assumptions about TTN, that's between you and him. If his behavior needs further evaluation, then so be it, but everyone involved is making an effort to not use strong-arm tactics, and instead use discussion.
People are redirecting/merging/deleting pages because the community at large does not believe the content to be encyclopedic. I know you disagree with that, but that is the way things currently are. How we handle the situation is what is being discussed, and what amount of plot summary we should include, and how we organize that information, etc. Some episode articles are justified, others are not, but there is no blanket "all episodes should be kept/deleted".
If you want to be pessimistic about this, and treat it like a war to be fought, then we will just be repeating the past.
-- Ned Scott
On Dec 29, 2007, at 10:47 PM, White Cat wrote:
Do not advertise 3rd party sites like wikia. I don't care if Jimbo founded it. Its just like any 3rd party site. Existence of any 3rd party site is no compromise. I do not write articles just to get Jimbo or some other site owner get rich. I do it for great encyclopedia only. People can copy it, reuse it, alter it at will but I do it for the encyclopedia. Lets delete all content on history as we do have a history wikia right? I thought so.
TTN is uninterested in improving anything. Open you eyes and read my post. I cited evidence of revert waring and blanking of "list of character" articles. He empties entire categories without bothering to say a word on them. And all that is stuff he does in 48 hours.
Out of world content is just the guise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TTN#Doctor_Who
Their presence obviously hasn't stopped TTN. So long as TTN and others like him continue the provocative and disruptive mass blankings, I do not expect to see any resolution. Well... I suppose he will eventually piss off enough people to generate a non-favorable consensus.
In the perfect world of Wikipedia (don't involve the foundation) we wouldn't need to be having this conversation as no one would be mass blanking pages. We have dealt with this for so long on wikipedia. The entire deal with stubs. This is just a rehash of it. It will blow up just like those discussions.
- White Cat
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