On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:54 PM, David Gerarddgerard@gmail.com wrote:
As far as I can tell, this is the state of consensus on the idea of a resolution-l:
- one strong proponent (Stevertigo)
- a couple of mild supporters (Fred Bauder, W. Johnson)
- nobody else cares much
- several people have suggested it would need consensus on the wiki to
be a happener - no info on state of opinion on the wiki
- no list created yet (mostly because of the tiny support)
- SV alleges procedural suppression of the idea
Anything I've missed?
Very nice, but a couple amendments are required: * I am not a "strong proponent" - I am the proposer. Naturally I consider the idea to be valid, or I would not have proposed it. And if there is anything "strong" about my proposal, its in the fact that my arguments are fairly sound, and my responses to the various criticisms have been somewhat straightforward and satisfactory. * IIRC George and SJ and maybe a couple others - notably Thomas - have also expressed *some degree of support - as always with their own ideas and points. And if he wasn't altogether retired, Jimbo would probably also support it too. * "Nobody else cares much" is perhaps accurate, perhaps not. Only the supporters and opponents count - not the abstentions - and IMHO I've been fairly successful at defeating the opposition's arguments anyway - too often by simply pointing out the lack of any substantial argument to speak of. If Lincoln destroys Douglas in debate, we generally get a concession speech, but we don't generally expect or get total conversion or support. Consider Planck's axiom about how changes in scientific thinking happen not so much through changing minds, but more through through scientist's eventual deceasing. * The "no list yet" issue is largely in Cary's court, for the simple reason that he is the person apparently in charge. Of course if a person in charge of something is not actually doing what his underlings tell him to do, then standard bureaucratic procedure usually requires that they be promoted to higher office so they can do less damage. * I allege no procedural suppression, for the simple reason that I have no access to the private lists or emails. I do however allege that if I did have access to those private channels, I could defeat most of whatever privately made criticisms just as easily as I have the open ones.
-Stevertigo