Only the last part is problematic:
"There have been a number of complaints on internet message boards about the fees that Bauer charges. Bauer is also alleged to have made legal threats in order to suppress discussion of her business's activities, especially on web sites. Reports of this behaviour are usually found on sites maintained by people who claim to have received such threats. [7]http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:q77ZSufuJzMJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Bauer+%22Barbara+Bauer%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us#_note-1She is also alleged to have caused the popular website, Absolute Write, to lose its Internet hosting servicehttp://209.85.165.104/wiki/Internet_hosting_servicein May http://209.85.165.104/wiki/May, 2006 http://209.85.165.104/wiki/2006. [8]http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:q77ZSufuJzMJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Bauer+%22Barbara+Bauer%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us#_note-2 "
Only the last part is problematic, why are we quoting blogs making allegations about somebody? Teresa Nielsen Hayden should be specifically identified in the text of the article, who she is, what her notability is for saying this, and her page wikilinked.
We go over this all of the time in FAC, people need to included in-line information, not just notes, or wikilinks, and all the time the repsonse is that it's wikilinked so nothing else needs to be said. BS! An article should be complete and defamatory allegations are only complete if they're notable in the first place, and fully discussed, who alleges what and where, plus the quote should be ATTRIBUTED to someone else pointing Wikipedia editors to the notability of the person making the allegation, both the alleger's notability, and the notability of the alleger's allegation.
"[American Science Fiction] writer and blogger [Teresa Nielsen Hayden] ([Making Light] on where it is served up) has claimed on her blog[5] that in response to discussion of Bauer's business practices, Nielsen has been threatened with legal action by Bauer.[6 source, where the Wikipedia editor got the information about Hayden's blog, NOT sourced to the blog directly!]. [Fantasy] author, [Victoria Strauss], and science fiction writer [A. C. Crispin], who maintain a blog ([Writer Beware], on [Blogspot]), have alleged on their blog[7] that Bauer caused the popular website [Absolute Write] to lose its web hosting service[8sourced, again, to the report that editors used for this information, NOT the bloggers themselves!]."
In other words, DON'T use primary sources! Or link to them so folks can see for themselves, but they are not the information included in article, but rather we use the report of the information.
KP
On 3/25/07, Ron Ritzman ritzman@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/25/07, Eugene van der Pijll eugene@vanderpijll.nl wrote:
Daniel R. Tobias schreef:
Apparently, literary agent [[Barbara Bauer]] has sued a number of people and organizations, including the Wikimedia Foundation
And it worked, the article has been deleted.
# 10:56, 25 March 2007 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) deleted "Barbara Bauer" (per WP:BLP article is a bloody disgrace. Full of 'allegations" of who said what on message boards . No mainstream media interest.)
Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't that comment be in an AFD nom or is this another one of those "Danial Brandt" deletes?
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