On 12/6/06, Phil Sandifer Snowspinner@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 6, 2006, at 12:25 AM, Steve Bennett wrote:
On 12/5/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
Personally, like others, I'm slightly saddened that there is a need for this. However, there *being* a need for it, satisfying that need is the right thing to do. Hopefully one day the list will disband from lack of use.
... whoa. Care to rephrase that?
Hopefully one day the women in the Wikipedia community will no longer feel threatened on the main list, and will thus not need their own list. That is, if their list is a cure, I hope the ailment goes away.
Well put. Allow me to briefly put my gender privilege to good use and to engage in some of the flaming that Tim Starling has observed that I, as a male, am apparently more likely to enjoy.
I have never been so disgusted with this community as I am right now, and particularly with Greg and The Cunctator, both users I have in the past had tremendous respect for. Greg's public shunning of the idea of gendered discussion and The Cunctator's stunt of subscribing to the list so he could play martyr were bald-faced power moves that had no content other than sending a clear message to female contributors that they'd better not get out of line. They were shameful power plays. And if anyone fails to understand why that is, I can only say that you are why this list needs to exist, and why it needs to be female-only.
I think you misunderstood my motives and actions entirely.
Why is the list not open to men? Because there are men like The Cunctator and Greg, who are happy to declare that they know how discrimination should be talked about, and anybody who feels uncomfortable talking to them can go to hell.
When you start attacking me like this, you really better have evidence to back it up.