Hear, hear, well put. :\
Even *with* a handle, a number of Wikipedians have been outted re their r/w identities -- something that clearly precludes using one's real name, especially as some of the more I'm-going-to-stick-my-nose-in-your-private-life employers frown on Wikipedia for a variety of reasons. Thus, anonymity is no excuse for not heeding a person's concerns -- in fact, in the real world, some of the best tips received by law enforcement, tax administration, SEC violations, etc., are anonymous. As KC noted earlier, it is the content that matters not the source, and in this case the content is valid.
I too, am desirous of an explanation on how CW's post could, by any stretch of the definition and imagination, be considered trolling. CW raises a very real problem, to call it trolling or to dismiss it outright because it is anonymous is simply a matter of "let's intimidate CW into divulging his/her real name or else just sweep yet another problem under the rug". This is simply unacceptable.
On 12/12/06, Puppy puppy@killerchihuahua.com wrote:
NSLE: I suggest you reconsider your position with this in mind - your name is almost certainly not NSLE or Chacor. I know my r/w name is not KillerChihuahua. The majority of Wikipedians and Wikipedia administrators do not contribute under their real names, and for good reason. The same logic which makes using a "handle" on Wikipedia in general a Good Idea also applies here. MONGO has been the target of massive trolling and harassment. It shows good sense to try to insulate oneself from becoming a target of the same people, and the Concerned Wikipedian is doing precisely that. I fail to see how that makes his or her concern any less valid. How precisely are you defining this as "trolling"? I see no trolling, and would appreciate it if you would share your logic with me and the others on this list, as apparently I have missed something.
NSLE (Wikipedia) wrote:
Hear, hear. Good decision. Seriously, the second I saw "Concerned Wikipedian" as the person I knew that this would be something trollish
like
this. Seriously now, make the plea openly instead of hiding behind "Concerned Wikipedian".
On 12/12/06, Jimmy Wales jwales@wikia.com wrote:
I would be much more inclined to intervene if you were willing to put your reputation on the line and make the defense publicly, rather than under a pseudonym and throwaway email address.
Concerned Wikipedian wrote:
Mr Wales,
I am hereby writing to you to express my displeasure and discontent at "your" Arbitration Committee's decision to desysop MONGO, one of the
most
dedicated and resilient users Wikipedia has ever seen.
MONGO has had to put up with every kind of harassment you could think
of; by
definition of [[WP:HA]], a number of users that have forced him into
his
mental decline should have been blocked and/or banned ages ago.
So, I officially protest this decision, and wish you to evaluate it.
Given
your ability to veto any decision made by the AC, I hereby request
that
if
you agree with my sentiment, you use this to stop Wikipedia from
losing
yet
another prolific administrator and user to the abyss of trolls and
vandals -
RickK springs to mind as another.
Last time I checked, MONGO wasn't the only administrator who could, on occasion, skirt the guidelines of civility. I could name 15 or so who
do
it
worse than he does, and yet it is him who takes the fall.
MONGO stood up for NPOV, something you yourself should extremely proud
of -
Wikipedia wouldn't be Wikipedia without servants like MONGO who try to
keep
unverified rubbish out, in accordance with "What Wikipedia is not", as
well
as "Neutral Point of View". Further, your relentless push of making Wikipedia fully verified through "Verifiability" and "Reliable
Sources",
which I commend you for emphasising, was one of MONGO's ideals, and something he sought to try and create under your direction.
There is no denying that MONGO may have overstepped his mark once or
twice;
I would be a fool to say so. What I will say, however, is your ArbCom
has
previously found that "occasional mistakes are entirely compatible
with
[the
role] – administrators are not expected to be perfect". I believe
that,
given the crap, for want of a better word, that MONGO has had to deal
with
in his fight to uphold your, and Wikipedia's, values, he should be
given
leeway in this precedent.
You yourself said that "The Arbitration Committee [...] can impose a solution that I'll consider to be binding, with of course the
exception
that
I reserve the right of executive clemency and indeed even to dissolve
the
whole thing if it turns out to be a disaster. But I regard that as
unlikely,
and I plan to do it about as often as the Queen of England dissolves Parliament against their wishes, i.e., basically never, but it is one
last
safety valve for our values". I feel that it is your turn to stand up
and be
counted, Jimmy, to stand up for our values. Wikipedians are not
perfect;
administrators are not perfect, by the same token; nor should
administrators
be expected to be unflappable in the face of persistent, ridiculous
trolling
and harassment that MONGO has had to.
Cometh the hour, cometh the man; will you be the man, or will the hour
slip
you by? I hope you can see the devastation that this would cause
Wikipedia
should you decide that the Arbitration Committee, which is becoming
more
and
more dissented by members of the community as segregated, has somehow
got
this one right.
The question you must ask yourself, in the spirit of IAR: If this
decision
will be detrimental to improving or maintaining Wikipedia more than
the
opposite decision will be, ignore it. You made this official policy on August 19, 2006 stating "IAR is policy, always has been". I feel that
this
is as good a time as any to apply its' principle.
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