On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Cary Basscary@wikimedia.org wrote:
I did give it proper consideration.
Um, no. You didn't. 'Proper consideration' requires sending signals out to people and getting some signals back - responsiveness.
I apologize for treating you special and not having responded to you directly.
Ah, the special treatment.
Most people give bugzilla's requests as well as emails to the respondent some time to respond before they post allegations about the person responsible to foundation-l.
Ah, yes the timeliness issue. Next time don't make people wait a month for a simple straightforward email response: a simple 'people whom I've talked in private say its a bad idea' would have been a quite ample response, if given in timely fashion.
Apparently you felt this had a higher priority than I did
Yes, that is the nature of other people's ideas - they naturally will consider such more important, urgent, or resonant than some official might do.
although you could not find anyone to agree with you
Actually not true. Fred and George I can think of off-hand. And Thomas, after we worked through most of his critiques, probably is in 90-95 in agreement with my exact concept. And this is not to say the concept can't be amended, streamlined, or altered a bit via intelligent criticism of a similar kind.
which is why you posted to foundaiton-l, and you could not find anyone to agree with you there either
The issue with posting to foundation-l was just to get your attention. You are the sole person in charge of creating new lists, aren't you? Perhaps this is a mistake. Perhaps your duties in the real world do not permit you to give due consideration to on-wiki matters anymore.
and further got yourself banned from that list for perpetually bringing it up.
Yes, I know about the "banning." Still in effect, actually.
I would suggest you stop creating a controversy where there is none
The only thing controversial here is that you are supposedly the go-to guy for creating new lists, and yet you didn't bother to respond to the 100 message wikien-l thread, a mediazilla request, and a private email, for almost a month. You are obviously capable and qualified in a great many areas, but are likewise just to overworked and busy to give sufficient attention to that particular matter.
by posting unsubstantiated insinuations about me
I made no insinuations. I made it clear that you just weren't doing your job.
on a public mailing list which is archived and googled by using poisonous language
We all once had reasonably thick skins here on wikien-l. What happened?
such as "And he recently did, though there was little substance in it,"
True. You decried my singling you out, decried my criticizing of your inaction, claimed there was zero support for it, noted that certain invisible people on functionaries-l disliked the idea, and stated only that you would close the thread after just one more day.
inherently fail to endear me to your cause any further.
I understand that by criticizing your inaction and unresponsiveness, I have singled you out, and thus have made you less than eager to start being helpful. The point here of course, is that you should have been eager and helpful from the get-go, and not entirely silent and unresponsive.
I have made my criticism broader than just you though, to include all privatized communication, as I know how these work over time to erode general openness, transparency and other core principles and values.
With that out of the way, I greatly appreciate the apology, Cary. I know you mean it. Likewise please accept my apology for singling you out, when I know others are just as responsible. We can get on now with discussing the substance of the proposal, and I would greatly appreciate your participation.
-Stevertigo