Ray,
You suggest that we add "as determined by a duly constituted tribunal." to the wikipedia definition of murder.
in the case at hand, July 23 slaying (NPOV?) of Hassan Al-Zanin (sp?) either the group of individuals siting the weapon on his family's property/land where at "duly constituted tribunal" or were not.
Are we suggesting that this status arose during the disagreement with the family or are we saying that the group of individuals siting the weapon had the status of "duly constituted tribunal" before they arrived?
Seems hard to make either claim for this group of individuals, dont you think?
Sincerely,
Lance6Wins
ps. Where is Zero0000 in all this? Clearly he has an opinion on the matter, else this thread would not exist!
--- Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Harry Smith wrote:
with regard to calling an act murder. The common definition of murder and the definition that
appears
in wikipedia is:
Murder is the crime of intentionally causing the
death
of another human being, without lawful excuse.
If we accept this definition, then we need to ask
if
the individuals that shot the boy had lawful
excuse.
From the articles, the reason for the shooting is
that
the boy and his family opposed the attempt to use
the
family's property/land. Does the family's refusal constitute lawful excuse for the shooting?
If its does not constitute lawful excuse, the act
is
murder per the first line of the wikipedia entry on murder.
My question is do we use the term murder for this shooting or do we change the wikipedia article on murder?
Perhaps we need to change the definition to add something like, "as determined by a duly constituted tribunal." The facts outlined above could very well result in a determination that there was a murder, but neither we nor our contributors are in a position to make the needed interrogations that will lead to the truth. It's not for us to decide.
seems to be a question of wikipedia using its own definitions for words at wikipedia.
is this type of internal consistency valuable?
Certainly, and I thank you for pointing out this inconsistency so that the definition can be repaired.
if it is not should we make that known?
is using the term murder according to the wikipedia definition POV?
Sincerely,
Lance6Wins
ps. perhaps the shooter meant to wound rather than kill. please repeat the above substituting manslaugter for murder.
The only difference between murder and attempted murder is the ability to shoot straight. :-)
Ec
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