Guy Chapman aka JzG wrote:
Jeff, I have to take issue with this. I suspect that you are talking about a different kind of "bad guys" from Fred, and also I have a problem with your approach to fixing your version of the problem, which is to make trouble for the janitors rather than trying to educate those who work at the firehose of crap, and get jaded, and tag articles they should not.
Full stop - this has nothing to do with inclusionism/exclusionism, actually. This has nothing to do with our broken deletion processes or our unrealistic content policies. This is all about the topic at hand, and many of the players involved and on the periphiary of the situation. If I could name names without getting destroyed, I would, but this has nothing to do with content issues.
You sit, as you know, at the far extreme of inclusionism. Over the last couple of months you have begun to display exactly the same burnout symptoms, presumably because of the number of people who find your tireless advocacy of articles which in many cases genuinely are junk, to be tiresome. This makes you unpopular. You weathered that with some success for a long time, but you seem to be losing your equanimity.
I don't believe I had it to begin with, and at some point, you're right, you stop caring. But if you're truly concerned about the problem you brought up, which is separate from the problem that I was discussing, I'd appreciate people being part of the solution, and not adding to the problem.
That last sentence may be the only link between my own personal Wikipedia issues and the one that the subject line refers to - we're too busy coddling the people who are adding to the problem (and Giano isn't the problem in the grand scheme of things, although he's not helping his case) instead of doing something to assist those who are looking for solutions.
But no, I'm not "burning out" - I'm just done with the bullshit. I think there's a difference, and if I were here to make friends, I'd "play nice" and sit happily in my "extremes" (another myth) while watching the walls crumble. That didn't work, so I alienate a few people for the good of the project. Ah well.
Maybe that's where Giano's at. But I'll say one thing - you want to increase the civility of this place? You want to stop this same run around? There's less than a dozen people who, if you ousted them tomorrow, these problems disappear. They, unfortunately, are a protected class, however, and won't be going anywhere. So we'll just have to sit and watch other people flame out until the rest of you wake up.
-Jeff