On 5/10/07, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/11/07, Keith Old keithold@gmail.com wrote:
I have supported the deletion of that article because there are no reliable sources for this snowfields. It is a small ski-fields with no evidence given of any notability. I looked and could find no independent sources. If there are, add them to the article and I will reconsider my position.
I agree that it is small and not well-known. However, as far as I know, our [[List of ski areas and resorts in New Zealand]] is comprehensive. If we delete that particular article, we will soon be in the awkward position of having an article on every skifield in New Zealand, except one, by choice. To put it differently, we will document every single permanent ski tow in New Zealand - except one.
Ski.co.nz lists 25 skifields, including Invincible. We list 28, adding Mount Robert, Fox Peak and Tasman Glacier (another heli-ski only place, listed elsewhere on snow.co.oz). So it's not like there is some endless pool of ski areas we could add, if only we'd lower our standards.
When you ask for "independent sources", is it because you're concerned that the information in the article is inaccurate, because your instinct tells you that that's how we know the topic is worth writing about, or because the heavily-disputed guideline known as Notability says so?
Steve
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Kind of all of the above. And also in the interests of having decent, comprehensive articles, not just "an article." It may be that all of them but one are notable. It may be that some of the others aren't either, and just haven't found their way to AFD yet. But regardless, there's only one verifiable (and there's the core policy) test of notability-has it actually been noted? If the answer's no, then whatever we may think or personally know, we can't verify an assertion that it's notable. And by including it, we're de facto asserting that it indeed is. To keep it, that needs backing up with sources, just like anything.