On 22/02/07, Oskar Sigvardsson oskarsigvardsson@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/22/07, Mark Ryan ultrablue@gmail.com wrote:
CheckUser queries are logged. The only administrator to look at the CheckUser data of all three users you mention is Jpgordon, the very administrator whose CheckUser actions/results you criticise. So, unless you're in bed with a developer, I think it's safe to assume you're lying.
When do we get to the point that we don't allow this shit anymore on wikien? Putting up with all of this makes it way more tiresome than it should be to be to read the list.
Put it this way: more than me has thought he's more than one of the recent posters with a remarkably low evidence:invective ratio.
The poster in question is no longer completely useless to the list. I think we're slowly training him to write things that are relevant talking points concerning the project.
I fear that's all we can really do. The fundamental problem is that, as long as email addresses are free, it's impossible to keep someone entirely off the list without getting really drastic and screening just about all messages. And that would in fact make a conceptually-moderated list, which would be a failure as a list. wikien-l has to be open, as Wikipedia has to be open.
Heck, I don't want that job as a listmod. I just want to clear the spam and help people who can't work the Mailman interface and so forth, and boot out troublemakers only as needed.
As the mailing list for a wiki, readers have to have some of the tolerance to stupidity they need to have to work on the wiki itself. Just as working productively with *complete idiots* is pretty much mandatory on the wiki, putting up with this shit to some degree is hard to avoid here.
- d.