Oh come on. TTN has stated several times that he is on a mission to remove content. That is his driving factor - that has been his driving factor. Collaborative editing does not mean people clean up the mess after TTN.
Consider a this case
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/...
How much was TTN willing to start a discussion? He was expecting others to do so for sure!
Revert waring:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kracko&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Waddle_Dee&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whispy_Woods&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dyna_Blade_%28Kirby%29&action=... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=King_Dedede&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francis_%28The_Fairly_OddParents%2...
Blanking of a list of character article (twice)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Fairly_OddParents_char... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Fairly_OddParents_char...
Prod of an entire list of character article (it ain't a stub):
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_characters_in_SRMTHFG%21&a...
Take a look at this deletion nom:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/NiGHTS
How much discussion was there prior to the deletion nom to perhaps improve the article? None. Other users have worked to clean up the mess TTN made.
He empties entire categories (by blanking articles) and later nominates them for deletion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Captain_Simian_%26_the_Sp... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:All_Saints_characters&... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:All_Saints_episodes&d...
I see no discussion whatsoever at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Captain_Simian_%26_the_Space_Monkeys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Captain_Simian_%26_the_Space_Monke... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints_%28TV_series%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_All_Saints_episodes
If panic blanking of entire categories w/o discussion is acceptable then you'd be right, sadly that is not so.
All this above is what I fished in the last 50 edits of TTN. All content above are the result of edits between 19 and 20 December. I do not see much evidence of discussion in any of the linked cases.
Once Arbcom accepts a case it should be willing to resolve the dispute. It is obvious there is a problem. Arbcom could have at least made rulings compelling people to work together.
- White Cat
On Dec 29, 2007 1:19 AM, Ned Scott ned@nedscott.com wrote:
It's really not fair to say that such users are unable to work together. TTN, everyone, and myself, have continued to follow advice about making more time for discussion and trying to help users understand why these articles are being removed, rather than just forcing the issue. This is one reason I didn't think the case needed to be accepted. The real reason this was an arbcom case was because of the very large amount of articles that were being redirected, and that resulting in a lot of different people getting mad. That's very different than trying different means of resolving the dispute. This situation is far from hopeless, and despite the impressions you might have gotten, no one wants to be at each other's throats.
-- Ned Scott
On Dec 28, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Majdan, Nik wrote:
Just FYI for everyone, this ArbCom case has closed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Episodes _and_characters
I don't follow ArbCom cases too much but was following this one as a frequent editor of the Scrubs TV series articles. I was surprised at the lack of an apparent decision in this one. As I stated in AN, telling the editors to "work collaboratively and constructively with the broader community" seems ridiculous to me. The case made its way to ArbCom because the editors were unable to do exactly that. Granted, ArbCom doesn't get into content disputes, but telling users to work together who obviously can't seems counterproductive to me. There was a reason it went to ArbCom in the first place.
-----Original Message----- From: wikien-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Steve Bennett Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:39 AM To: English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:EPISODE
On 12/24/07, Bryan Derksen bryan.derksen@shaw.ca wrote:
It puts lie to the whole concept of "consensus" if a decision like
this can swing permanently one way or the other based on whether it just happens to be made during a week when not a lot of people are paying attention.
Not really. Consensus is a very loose concept. Previous "consensuses" have been struck down on the basis that not enough people were involved (notably, the merger of WP:V, WP:RS etc) It wouldn't be unreasonable to challenge the consensus later on, if indeed not many people were involved.
Steve
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